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  1. Yahshua

    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    *takes over an hour to reply to this...* Yup! lol
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Go backward or forward, or cross-reference...but you must be accurate. wait......but.......in the quote below, you.....aren't you.......isn't that.....how is that not the same lol??? ...oh never mind.
  3. Yahshua

    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    You guys type so fast. What are you using: computers or phones? This is me with replies
  4. Yahshua

    How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church

    Do you guys believe that Luke 21 is a parallel passage of the same Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24?
  5. Yahshua

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    If you'll simply piece together any words to reach the answer you want then why ask? I think you're reaching...but feel free to believe whatever you like. I must stick with the context given. Incorrect. He spoke of the other trials prior to the thorn and then he spoke of his "thorn"...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    I said I wasn't posting in this thread any longer, but considering you hadn't had a chance to reply to me like the other did I'll post back to you and then leave it here. A question based on a false premise is an unanswerable question. While a question based on two false premises is even more...
  7. Yahshua

    24 Elders seated around the throne, who are they ?

    Wouldn't it be interesting if the elder who came to him to ask him who the multitude is, was John? I had this thought a while back. Would I be able to recognize a vision of my older self if he came to talk with me? Not sure I would.
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    24 Elders seated around the throne, who are they ?

    What's interesting is the number 24 harkens back to the priestly course under King David in 1 Chronicles 24. The twenty-four were Levitical priesthood ministering in the temple, so the fulfillment of this after Messiah would be the Melchisedec priesthood (as the Revelation scene shows them with...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Romans 5:15-18 But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the trespass of the one man, how much more did God’s grace and the gift that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many! 16 Again, the gift is not like the result of the one man’s sin: The...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. Romans 6:26 23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Saved = The...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Probably will be my last few posts on this thread. What are we saved from? Death. What's the result? eternal life. ----- Eternal life = to live forever. Not die. Death = to expire; to cease to be. Not live forever The GIFT of eternal life = Eternal Life's Gift That GIFT is to have the...
  12. Yahshua

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Good to know. Take care!
  13. Yahshua

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    The gift cannot be the payment: 1) Christ's atoning death is the payment for sin. 2) "...The gift of God is eternal life" 3) Christ paid the debt on cross. Salvation isn't nailed to the cross. Salvation did not die. 4) Belief in Messiah = Salvation Is not your point still: the gift (salvation...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    A statement. The explanation explains the statement.
  15. Yahshua

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    Please don't start these accusations of twisting like the others do, Laura. Twisting. I can only reply to what I read/see. I posted the quote I was replying to as written. The quote said "the gift is not the payment". I replied to that, assuming first a weakness in this form of communication and...
  16. Yahshua

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    You meant this for me. Our wires must be getting crossed, using words typed on a screen. You have a debt too large to pay.... ....so as a gift... ...I pay that debt FOR YOU. My gift to you is that I paid your debt that you couldn't afford to pay. Is my gift the payment or not?
  17. Yahshua

    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    John 10:6 6 This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them. Yeah, let's stop studying the bible. It's getting in the way of what we believe. When one doesn't even recognize or accept passages it's not worth continuing the...
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    The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

    ...But we are not receiving salvation as a coat. Salvation is not what covers us. His blood covers us. His death pays for us, saving us from our own payment. Daniel 9:24 explains several things that were to occur, confirming what Leviticus 16 details. But two in particular are: - Death as...