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  1. Kavik

    problem related to praying in tongues

    In the case of Pentecost - the languages are Greek and Aramaic. In the Greek, the phrase “in their native language” modifies the verb “speaking” in verse 6, not the verb “hearing.” There was no “miracle of hearing” at Pentecost. “Tongues of angels” is frequently used as a vehicle to posit...
  2. Kavik

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    PART 2 The miracle of language at Pentecost was making the God of the Jews accessible to all people and moreover, not having to do so in one prescribed language; namely, Hebrew, the sacerdotal language of Judaism. Jewish religious custom and tradition demanded that any teaching, praying...
  3. Kavik

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    Guess due to length, this will need to be in two parts. PART 1 When it’s boiled down, most arguments for tongues at Pentecost can ultimately be said to hinge on two things; first, what the Holy Spirit actually gave the 12 apostles at Pentecost, and second, the crowd’s assumed linguistic...
  4. Kavik

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    Literally thousands, if not tens of thousands, of examples of tongues-speech have been studied and analyzed - not one was ever found to be a real, rational language...living or dead.
  5. Kavik

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    Anyone can learn to produce glossolalia in relatively short order - for most it's a matter of overcoming inhibitions about playing with the sounds of your language.
  6. Kavik

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    Not sure I’d classify that as a commend; Paul admonishes the church in Corinth not to forbid the speaking of languages at a public worship and, although he does lay down some ground rules as to how it should happen, he does not outright forbid people to worship in a language no one else at the...
  7. Kavik

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    Could you provide an example where two people are speaking in the exact same "tongue"? By 'tongue' here, I'm referring to modern tongues-speech.
  8. Kavik

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    No, sorry, it is not. By the very nature modern tongues-speech is produced, no two speakers will ever have the same "tongue". In addition, modern tongues-speech is not language which further makes it virtually impossible that two speakers would have the same 'tongue'.
  9. Kavik

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    Interpretation of languages ("tongues") is simply the rendering of language X to language Y - interpretation and translation are essentially identical; however, there is a subtle difference: the written word is typically translated, the spoken word is typically interpreted. It’s one thing to...
  10. Kavik

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    With respect to the phrases “divers kinds of tongues” and “diversities of tongues” (1 Cor. 12:10 and 28), one needs to look at what was actually written. First, in v. 10, there is no “various” or “different” here; the passage from the Greek is literally “to another, kinds of languages”. Verse 28...
  11. Kavik

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    Aut face aut tace.
  12. Kavik

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    I hate to state the obvious, but If you're striving to live your life in a Christ-like manner, close-minded comments such as these certainly aren't it. Perhaps you'd be so kind as to post a small sample (a minute would do it) of your tongues-speech here for analysis.
  13. Kavik

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    Well, since when it comes to something spoken, al Biblical references to "tongues" denote real, rational language(s), obviously they have not ceased.
  14. Kavik

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    I don't think you've debunked anything. Modern tongues-speech is what it is; non-cognitive non-language utterance.
  15. Kavik

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    Modern tongues-speech is an entirely self-created phenomenon. It is non-cognitive non-language utterance; random free vocalization based upon a subset of the existing underlying sounds (called phonemes) of the speaker’s native language, and any other language(s) the speaker may be familiar with...
  16. Kavik

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    1 Cor. 14:14-15 – This one could easily take a few pages to explain properly, but I'll try and sum it up as briefly as possible..... Again, you have to go to the Greek. This passage hinges on the Greek word “akarpos” – which can be used in two different ways: in an active sense and in a...
  17. Kavik

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    1Cor. 14:2 is perhaps the quintessential verse used by many to “evidence” modern tongues-speech in the Bible. If one were to paraphrase the KJB version of this verse into a more modern English, you'd need to get rid of the added “unknown”, use a more accurate translation from the Greek, and a...
  18. Kavik

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    Jews from Judea spoke Aramaic as their mother tongue. I don’t think there’s any argument there. Jews (as well as anyone else) from the Western Diaspora spoke Greek – all those lands had been Hellenized for centuries and Greek had long displaced indigenous languages. Jews adopted Koiné Greek...
  19. Kavik

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    Given the list of nations, we know that the Jews gathered in Jerusalem for Pentecost came from one of three places Judea, the Western Diaspora, and the Eastern Diaspora. You have to ask yourself, if I were a Jew living in one of these places in the 1st century, what would be my native language...
  20. Kavik

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    Not really going to get into this thread much - as a linguist, I have a very strong view of 'tongues-speech', and there are other threads where I go into it in some detail. But just just something to ponder....in the entire Pentecost narrative, not one language is ever referenced by name. The...