If someone knowingly chooses to believe false doctrine,

Nonsense.

Those in heaven no longer hope because they possess everything that makes them happy.

Nonsense again. Those now in heaven are still believing and hoping to be resurrected. They don't have resurrected bodies yet. positively anticipating experiencing something one does not have is to hope for it. There is no evidence that time will cease to pass after death, or after the first resurrection, or after the heaven and earth are created anew. There is no evidence that people in any of those ages will never be alerted to some new future experience coming their way, that they anticipate expectantly.

don't you believe in being an elect though? if you believe in selective salvation there is nothing to figure out either your elect or your not

No matter what you say, this clown is going to find a reason to dispute it. Save your energy for someone worthwhile.

Do you think he started this thread just to argue or do you think he was genuine in his question? also I wonder if he is a bot how could we tell I wonder

ok I was just reading through the posts and saw this now your going to far if your going to say such a thing about @Dino246 then your not showing the spirit of Christ but of the enemy it was uncalled for untrue and frankly childish

You claim there is a "correct doctrine" but refuse to define it. We're still waiting. I'm not holding my breath.

Definitely just to argue. Given that he has refused to provide his idea of "correct doctrine", and has started other threads with similar baited questions, he's just a troll.

lets just hope he doesn't make one about the rapture or something all hell will break loose which he seems to be prety focused on from what I have seen he has a thing for hell

Gods love isn’t what’s missing

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But our love for him ?

“He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:21, 23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:2-3

In the end it’s mans failing love towards one another and of course towards god but his love towards all sinners was made manifest when Jesus died for the sins of the whole world so that anyone who believes can be saved having thier sins remitted in his name.

God loved his creation but it didn’t love him in return

Heresy is what leads some folks to hell. It’s why God is so against false teachers.

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But everyone faces the same judgement

“But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; Who will render to every man according to his deeds: to them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: but unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

but glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: for there is no respect of persons with God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭2:5-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The danger of a heresy is it blinds us to the te it because we believe the heresy is the truth ….it doesn’t leave room for Jesus word to be the truth

Yeah, he sounds familiar in his posting patterns. He's been here before but got banned many, many times. I wonder why he does that.


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Knowingly choosing to believe something that u know is false ? I don't believe that anyone does that , well not Christians , flat earth people must know the earth is round though mustn't they ? As Paul says , for now we r looking into a dirty glass , we will know all things perfectly one day . Believe in Jesus , his conception , his sinless life , his death and ressurection and his Sonship and Kingship and u r well on your way .

In hell evil people punish/torture themselves by experiencing delayed karma, just as those who experience appropriate justice during this earthly existence also punish themselves or reap what they have sown and send themselves to jail. This view makes souls responsible for breaking the rules rather than blaming evil on the judges (or Judge) who enforce the rules.

The purpose of earthly punishment is to promote repentance, but the reason for retribution in hell is to attain justice. It is difficult to imagine, but somehow even someone as evil as Hitler will receive perfect justice, perhaps experiencing the agony of the millions of deaths he caused in accordance with the principal of “eye for eye” (MT 5:38), after which their souls are destroyed forever (per John 17:12, Rom. 9:22, Gal. 6:8, Phil. 3:19, 2Thes. 1:9, 2Pet. 3:7 & Rev. 20:13-14).

Yes, Rom. 8:18-25, Tit. 1:2 & 2:13, 1 Cor.15:19, Col. 1:27. 1 Thes. 1:3 & 5:8, Heb. 6:19, 10:23, 11:1.

That is correct. Those in heaven do not have hope of eternal life because they already possess it.

Do you really want to know what correct doctrine is?

This thread was not started to try to argue/debunk correct/sound doctrine,

As I'm sure you know, doctrine means teaching. There are doctrines which form what is sometimes called "the root of the matter," and they are essential to salvation. I'm thinking of things such as Jesus Christ being the only way to God, the fact that God is holy, and the need for God's grace for a sinner to be saved. If somebody knowingly believes falsehoods on these things, then they are unlikely to be a Christian believer. There are other matters which genuine Christians differ in their understanding, things like whether babies should be baptised or only believers, and what day of the week Jesus was crucified. As I say, genuine Christians differ in their understandings of such things, so in my opinion, our beliefs on them don't affect whether or not we are Christians.