If someone knowingly chooses to believe false doctrine,

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Dec 12, 2024
732
129
43
Does it touch salvation? Wanna talk about gifts or prosperity or baptism, grace things like this that do not touch salvation. Do we hear Yeshua/Jesus Christ came in the flesh died on the cross for the worlds sin was buried rose the 3rd day is seated at the right hand of the Father and the only way to the Father. False doctrine Jesus never rose, many ways to heaven. Ever look at the ones calling out false doctrine? Is it done with love to help things like that? Do they speak words of life? You always love you always want to help to put them back on the right path sort of thing. Its love and "prayer" that oddly gets left out.

Yes they are His Children just as everyone posting in this thread. Now believe or not the blind see the lame walk the dumb talk and the dead rise. He has not changed.

But one has to ask... whos the one here defining "false doctrine"? See so much of this is done on Youtube, X, Facebook so forth so on. Oh I love this song Bryan Duncan "I Surrender All"..

If I may.. 1st Cor 13, Galatians 5:22-23. Whats the reason the goal for pointing out this false doctrine? Like I said there are countless doing this every day in the His name yet its not of Him. He never once called them do to this. Yeah I am not the worlds, this nation, this cities pastor, prophet, Apostle. Just a bunch of branches going at each other thinking one is higher then the other. Most I believe do not do this if they see something they take it to the Father and pray for them the love them as He loves.
God does not love unrepentant sinners who are in hell.
 
Jul 7, 2022
11,499
4,998
113
Almost Heaven West Virginia
Jesus does not love unrepentant sinners in hell who were ultimately of false doctrine instead of being born-again.
If they were not born of the Spirit to be given the everlasting gift of life, then they were not saved. So, then I would agree that they rejected Jesus to remain in condemnation. John 3:18 Once physical death occurs there is no hope.



What do you mean by the term unrepentant?
 
Dec 12, 2024
732
129
43
If they were not born of the Spirit to be given the everlasting gift of life, then they were not saved. So, then I would agree that they rejected Jesus to remain in condemnation. John 3:18 Once physical death occurs there is no hope.



What do you mean by the term unrepentant?
repent
feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin.
 
Jul 7, 2022
11,499
4,998
113
Almost Heaven West Virginia
repent
feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin.
If I remember correctly, that was one of James Strong's definitions. I'm not going to geek out and get into a Greek language study here. I don't even know enough Greek to get around in Cypress. I have studied the Bible words translated repent/ repentance however. It was important to me to learn what the Word of God means when using the term.
Why?

A. It's important to God to make clear what His requirements are for salvation. He certainly did and Repent/ repentance is defined in the English Bible, so there is no need to learn a foreign language.

B. It's important to the Son of God, Jesus Who went through unimaginable suffering and experienced death for all mankind throughout history.

C. It's important to those who do not want to experience the everlasting torments of Hell.

D. It's important to me, because I don't want to misinterpret or misrepresent THE most important topic for every human being, whether they know that now or not.

SInce I heard so many conflicting definitions from evangelical, protestant and Baptist pulpits, poopes and celebrities, even Greek/Hebrew dictionaries: I took the effort to beg God and diligently search the Scriptures for answers with a humble open mind.

God blessed me with a few utterly important answers.
 

PaulThomson

Well-known member
Oct 29, 2023
4,527
617
113
They do deceive and fool themselves into believing heresy is the truth.
Agreed. They can argue for a heresy and claim to believe it, knowing it is false, for some perverse reason. And if they persist they can start to believe their own lie to the point eventually where they become sure they are believing truth. But by that point they no longer know it is a lie.
 
Jul 7, 2022
11,499
4,998
113
Almost Heaven West Virginia
Agreed. They can argue for a heresy and claim to believe it, knowing it is false, for some perverse reason. And if they persist they can start to believe their own lie to the point eventually where they become sure they are believing truth. But by that point they no longer know it is a lie.
Yes, one example is Easter Sunday service at a Nursing/ assisted living home. The retired Catholic priest said he prayed the prayer I led for salvation, but when I questioned him after the service to see if he understood, I found that he still held to his works based dogma. I showed him a clear Bible verse and he read it back to me in a totally distorted rewritten view to contradict salvation by God's grace through faith in His Son.
We parted on pleasant terms even though we disagreed in the chance I might be able to get through to him another time. Those are hard to reach, but others were saved that day.