Fundamentalism and Particular Baptists

I believe faith exists but doesn't come into usage until God makes Himself known.

first off I agree with you 100% I think this take nails the proper spirit to approach this issue. So please bare with me for the rest of my comment.

I SO can't stand the "people chosen for hell" criticism at all. I'm not saying "you" push it, were pushing it, or really anything about you at all. You just mentioned it and I wanted to comment on this thing alone, disconnected form you. So I'm not saying this TO YOU, just generally about that specific criticism I see thrown around here way too often IMO. So please don't read this like I'm coming at you or trying to correct anything you said.

I just hate this argument (honestly it more used as a cudgel than any kind of real argument) that comes up WAY TOO MUCH here, that if you believe God is in control, has ALL power, and gets ALL glory for every bit of every man salvation, then that means you believe in some crazy kind of false monster god that picks who goes to hell.

I can't stand it because it's completely irrelevant in truth, used for division, and based on a totally false premise. It's people criticizing others because they look at something differently, and then form a false view of the matter based on ignorance. See the TRUTH of the matter is God doesn't have to choose anyone for hell no matter what side of this debate you fall on. Know why? That's right, because that is where we are ALL going outside His grace. So this argument, no matter how you want to put lipstick on it, is dumb before it even gets started on a level that it should be dismissed offhand every time we hear it. Why would God have to pick anyone for hell when in TRUTH, that's where we're all going.

Besides that, I've never in my 16 years of being saved, ever heard anyone teach, even once, that God picks who goes to heaven and hell arbitrarily. The only people I've EVER heard say that are the CDSC (Calvin Derangement Syndrome Cult)members here, and they do so in accusation of someone they label and make the enemy based on their knowledge and judgement, outside of anything that person actually says themselves, and feel are called by God to do this and battle for eternity. Only those who throw around these baseless accusations say this at all, ever, in my experience. Like I've never seen them in a conversation with anyone saying the things they accuse people of teaching. Not once.

Anyway Sorry for the rant being tied to your comment, it was solely because you mentioned the "God chooses for hell" thing and I guess I was triggered or something. LOL, but one last time, know I was not at all disagreeing with your main point here, and have a great day brother.

Tony, when i was saying that to the major, it's implied that we are speaking of denominations.

HowYouDoing by the way? Seen any UFOs lately?

Paul said 'will be'; future tense. You shouldn't have a problem with that. That's simply taking God at his word

My friend, I cannot tell you how many "Churches" that I was forced to depart from.
Some were such a joke that mere words cannot describe.

And guess what.....I know my God and my Bible better than EVER.
Far far more than I would have stuck in a brackish backwater wanna-be Church.
And my advice to you is: when you start getting the willies and your conscience is on high alert, just go and don't look back.

I credit Chronister for my freedom BTW. The man is an analytical genius. He actually "gets it".

And now.....so do I.
The rub is.....now I am quite aware that far too many others DO NOT.

We have faith in many different things in life, people, things, concepts, do you think this is some extraordinary different type of faith?

With this i agree.
However, Paradise and the Kingdom of God has begun here and now for me.
Paul also says "
If we live, we live for the Lord; and if we die, we die for the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.
"
So it's a matter of perspective and more importantly how we express ourselves to others so we don't sound full of ourselves.

Believe it or not, I can discern the true nature of most Churches on the first audition.
Some take a little longer.

And believe me, the disappointment is crushing.
Its like walking into a prison and the "pastor" and his henchmen are the wardens.

But......should I find the "right" one, I will know with a great deal of certainty.

Romans 1 tells us people basically can look at Creation as a form of God manifesting Himself to them and many will reject God. But in order to reject means they have the ability to believe.

Romans 1 even furthers the sentiment by explaining because they keep rejecting God He gives them over to a reprobate mind.

But they demonstrate the ability to believe if they choose to do so and that is faith. But they deny by reasoning and end up rejecting God.

It's right here right now in our midst. We are the occupying garrison until the king returns with his army to clean house

I love this! It's a feeling that i have but i can't say it. Especially to a non-believer.
But i agree with you 100%.
When you have the Kingdom of God in you, you have overcome the fallen world in a lot of ways.
This is what made Saints in history unshakable in their faith even when they faced torture and death. Torture!!!

Yes......Faith in being convinced of something that is true. Faith isn't blind. Faith has an object that we know and are convinced of its truth.

We don't just wake up one day and have faith. Faith comes from a truth that we are convinced of......This may take days or years.

Faith always has an object and that is why those that mock "believing" as being insufficient to save always leave out that it is in whom we place our faith that saves and yes it is the condition that God sets.

Yes and too may hear false Gospels like .... to believe in Jesus means to repent of all of one's sin.

Well, my theology is based on GW, so if in the future you get around to reading what I cited (MT 7:5, JN 7:24, 2CR 13:5, 2TM 3:14-17 & 4:1-4), please let me know so we can discuss what you learn from it here and now at that time. Happy trails! :^)

That would be the lesson being taught here.....
Indisputably.

[Num 21:9 NKJV]
So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.

Major, everyone's theology is based on GW but the reason i love to discuss these Bible topics with you is because you're very self-aware, humble and flexible.
Maybe we can go to our 'old guys' thread where it's quiet over there with only a few old guys drinking coffee.

I have this.....https://www.sermonaudio.com/broadcasters/cliffside/

Is there a better site or way of delving into his teachings?

This is what I use. Has a decent search tools and is well indexed.

https://www.sermonaudio.com/solo/cliffside/sermons/

I listen to Chronister daily.
I do not agree with EVERYTHING he says......but man it is SO CLOSE.
I call him and email him once in a while.

Poor guys health is getting compromised. Pls pray for him.
He is the real deal. As opposed to the frauds and fakes and posers.

He has more knowledge in his little finger than......well you know.
He makes the "other guys" sound like carnival barkers. Seriously.

And yea, he is dead right about the fraud that is hyper-Calvinism thats for sure.

Your refusal to discuss GW (MT 7:5, JN 7:24, 2CR 13:5, 2TM 3:14-17 & 4:1-4) here and now is NOT furthering discussion of this topic, but if you are interested in studying the topic of salvation on the Kerygma thread or of parables on the Hermeneutics thread, I will see you there. :^)