Understanding God’s election

You have not advanced in the mind of Christ then. Christ died for each and every sin ever committed...past, present and future.
What you don't understand is GOOD AND EVIL.

You are still stuck in the garden with the serpent.

Yeah, this was my MO when I was stuck in Calvinism. No hate involved in my end. I just know the game like the back of my hand.......And it frustrates those who are smarter than me, but can't fool me.

I think we need to drop the whole calvinism thing accusing others of it and or otherwise labeling others I don't know who here is a calvinist but we should not be name calling labeling or accusing of said doctrine because it never ends well

So you know the game? I admit I know next to nothing about calvinists and thus cannot even tell who is one or if they are teaching it. but I did notice it seems to draw the intellectual and knowledgable those who would be wise in their own eyes but aside from that I am clueless what are the basics of said doctrine could you tell me so I am not fooled as well?

I could search it up but I think an ex calvinist would be able to explain it better

What should we call it then?

What should call a doctrine that argues the Truth and Power inherent in God's unique holy Life Giving message is not sufficient that man is born completely unable to respond positively to that message but require a special addition of gnosis or regeneration prior to belief to receive the gift of salvation.

If this not Calvinism than what is?

The fact that Calvinists are divided amongst themselves does not mean this doctrine is not Calvinistic.

Yes, salvation is given to them He loved and their names were written in the lambs book of life from the foundation Rev 13:8;17:8

Those workers of iniquity will hear Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

I never knew you is equivalent to saying I never loved you

Its what it says to me, i can care less about what catch words you looking for.

You must limit Christs Death in its efficasiousness, and give adam the preeminence !

That would take another 6000 pages!(that in itself should raise red flags)

Simply put, if one believes that regeneration comes BEFORE belief......they are reformed or Calvinist......And they will scream if you call them calvies. Why can't you identify them? Because they are sneaky snakes that try to sound like mainstream Christianity, with the "same" Gospel.

If you go beyond the "surface" of what they teach and get into the black center. They are deterministic in their theology, and God elects creatures to the Lake of fire.

They have a black interior( God is malevolent) and try to cover it with a white exterior( God is benevolent.)

And it takes some serious study to "see" their sneaky snake tactics.

If the word is not part of the passage, then it’s not part of the context.

If you were chosen before the foundation of the world, there would never be a time in your life when you were considered dead in trespasses and sins and were by nature children of wrath. However, if your salvation was not chosen for before the foundation of the world, then all of this would be true of you.

Ephesians 2:
1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

False ! The Truth can be in the context without the literal words being present.

Why? What is your reasoning behind your argument?

@John146

False the ones in Eph 2:1-3 are the same ones in Eph 1:4-5

That is why I have a lot of respect for the consistent Calvinist. They don't mask it. That's what they believe, and they proudly wear the label Calvinist.

It's those sneaky ones that are Calvinists that I have no respect for........ But I know ,the dark side of calvinism is DARK.

And one other note. I and many others get called an Arminian or a universalist all the time.........But do you see anyone any of us crying in our beer for pages because of the accusation. Nope. But calvies WILL.....It's about IMAGE. Not about their doctrines.

I agree and this stems from how they define "inability" I think this is initial/first faulty premise.

Irresistible grace/special imparted gnosis/ regeneration before faith to be saved are all built upon this faulty premise not supported by scripture.

Yes the sneaky ones.

that is fine and dandy but you made a claim and I made a claim your idea of truth doesn't matter what matters is what the word of God says don't forget this is a bible discussion forum so if you are going to make a claim but cannot back it up or for that matter disprove mine then I rest my case and I suppose if you cannot prove me wrong then that is that

Well you sir have earned my respect you clearly know what your talking about I am kind of curious about this calvinism thing now if there is that many red flags maybe this needs to be investegated

I don't know why it quoted that first part sorry about that