Do you know who the elect are now who have yet to enter into regeneration?????
How can you know?
Understanding God’s election
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Do you know who the elect are now who have yet to enter into regeneration?????
How can you know?
Let’s stick with what it actually says and not add to or take away. The scripture actually states, kings and ALL that are in authority.
Why should we pray for kings and all that are in authority? That we may live peaceable lives.
since it was originally written in greek I looked up the word all in greek
he Greek word for "all" is "πᾶς" (pas).
Explanation:
he Greek word for "all" is "πᾶς" (pas).
Explanation:
- "πᾶς" (pas): directly translates to "all", "every", or "whole" in English.
- Related word: "ὅλος" (holos) also means "all" or "whole" and can be used depending on the context.
- Strong's Greek: 3956. πᾶς (pas) -- All, every, whole, entire - Bible Hub
Corresponding Greek / Hebrew Entries: - H3605 (כֹּל, kol): Often translated as "all" or "every," similar in meaning to "pas" in its ...
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- Pas Meaning - Greek Lexicon | New Testament (KJV) - Bible Study Tools
Pas Definition individually. each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything.
- Strong's Greek: 3650. ὅλος (holos) -- Whole, all, entire, complete
ὅλος (holos) -- Whole, all, entire, complete. ... Definition: Whole, all, entire, complete. Meaning: all, the whole, entire,
The condemnation they incurred actually landed on Christ, He was their surety. They incurred and it was imputed to Christs charge, thats why He came, to take care of that debt of condemnation for the elect, but that was a good observation
I am sticking with what it says, just not every word you think needs to be in the context.
No I never ask God to do things against anyone’s will my friend. When I pray I am just speaking to God as my Father, I try to follow Jesus teachings regarding prayer and speak to him from the heart
i dont think I’ve ever asked him to do things against anyone’s will Though.
its interesting the arguments we make to support our ideas (both sides I mean )
Often we get away from the point.
That's what some are trying to do.
I think it is a side effect that comes from reading Scripture in snippets as they try to counter the Exegesis posted by those of us who have read the Bible. Rather than snippets as many appear to do.
And that is why those persons can't take the full picture of Gods Sovereignty and have it comport with their snippet construct understanding.
An interesting point. So where does it say the elect were under God's wrath? Ephesians 2:3 says...were by nature the children of wrath. It doesn't say...were children of wrath.
This gives rise to another question: what is exactly entailed in that nature?
Not to the workers of Iniquity whom He hates Ps 5:5
5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
You cannot erase what is written in the Bible. You choose to insist that what is written doesn't actually exist,when it actually does.
That is Cognative Dissonance.
It isn't Scripture. It isn't respect for God's word. And when someone excises parts of Scripture they will not accept that is Eisegesis.
No one has to erase anything, the doctrine of salvation for the preselected/preordained/regeneration before belief, is not in scripture.
I am with you. Calvinism appeals to the human intellect. That's why God's word pokes holes in just about every aspect of it.
We try to "sell" His Gospel to all.
They try to "sell" Calvinism/ Reformed theology to all.
The tunnel vision here regarding Calvinism is astonishing. Going so far as to accuse those of us who state we are not Calvinists of being liars as detractors repeatedly insist on making the accusations.
That hatred obscures their capacity to see the Scriptures.
And the ideology they promote while denying Scripture they disapprove for thinking those passages do not exist is what makes for their Eisegesis. And their subsequent argument unrelated to God's word.
your not sticking with what it says your adding to it there is a difference you have yet to be able to debunk my point the best you offered was it is spiritual that is a poor counter to my point. even the greek word for all provves my point and if anyone would care to disprove my point I am open to admitting I am wrong but you need to do better than that