Understanding God’s election

Jesus is Lord we do not make Him Lord.

Do we not exercise faith in Him when call on Him and accept his gift?

Paul could have easily have used Christ Jesus there, I am sure his audience understood the reference to Christ Jesus.

And, also....

Our ultimate conformity!
The resurrection body just like His own!

For not all believers throughout time were chosen by God to be the Bride of Christ.
And, for that purpose, he chose us (before the foundation of the world) to be the "body" of Christ!

We'll be bone of his bones, and the same glorious substance of his glorious body!
To do so, he predestined us to be born during the Church age.
So when we believed during the Church age, we are entered into Christ as his Church.
The Greek word doxēs, which means "glorious", signifies majesty and splendor.

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Are you talking two different meanings here?

Concocted?

The original sin took place while Adam chomped on the fruit.
Did Augustine conceive a different meaning?

how was adams sin different from eves ?

Yes I was just trying to get a specific point from you to try to better understand

That's my point...someone who calls upon the name of the Lord already believes He is Lord. And they call upon Him by the Holy Spirit.

And Paul couldn't choose other words because He was being moved by the Holy Spirit in writing scripture.

Of course it's speaking of Jesus, as is 1 Corinthians 12:3. But the choice of wording is God breathed.

You still didn't answer my question about the imputation of Adam's sin to the human race. Did God impute the Federal Head's sin to mankind or not?

And unless man's conscience is external to man -- something that hangs out in the external world -- then I would have to say you're dead wrong about the existence of evil or sin within man. Too many scriptures contradict your thinking. A&E ran and hid from God after they sinned! Why? Because their consciences (WITHIN THEM) accused them! They felt (within themselves) guilt, shame and fear -- all of which are byproducts of sin. Their bodies became "temples" of sin! Plus you have contradicted yourself by telling us that we have a human nature like Adam's. How did we get that human nature if it weren't passed down to us -- if we didn't inherit it!? And are we born with Adam's sin nature?

Jesus also taught us that all manner of evil proceeds from within man -- from within man's heart (Mat 15:19)! And didn't a prophet tell us that man's heart is desperately wicked and self-deceived above else, so much so that man cannot even understand it (Jer 17:9)? And didn't another prophet teach that there is no spiritual soundness in man at all -- that the entire heart is afflicted (Isa 1:5-6)? And didn't Paul proclaim that there was no good thing within his human nature ("flesh"), cf. Rom 7:18?

Finally, Adam's death on the day he disobeyed God was not physical, but spiritual. The Holy Spirit departed from him and that severed Adam from the life of the Spirit, hence he DIED on that very day that he ate! Everyone on this little green planet is either alive in the Spirit or is dead in their sinful flesh (nature).

And how did Abraham know to do that?

Then if Judas lost his salvation, we, too, can! I guess God doesn't keep us. He doesn't protect us. He doesn't preserve us. And Jesus stinks at being the "Good Shepherd" who promised he would lose no one!

And I suppose you think the people talked about in Mat 7:23 also lost their salvation?

As with all things his views are subject to interpretation and he may not be the originator.

But in Catholicism which many denominations still hold to as well......

they go beyond the result of spiritual "death" being the result to everyone and assert that even before we are born we are sinful as opposed to born with a propensity to sin.

Lord and Christ Jesus are synonymous and does not change the meaning in the text.

So then you agree it is after someone has been saved, in the correct order, belief >> regeneration.

Can anyone name one sin that a bodiless soul could have?

The fallen body is the root of all sin...
A soul that obliges a desire of his fallen flesh, sins.

A soul that resists a desire of the flesh does not sin.
That soul was merely 'tempted.'

Jesus was tempted, but never sinned.


grace and peace .........

Glad to point this out for Romans 8:23 speaks of the redemption of the body, which is the future position of the believers ‘waiting for the adoption,’ which is then conforming to his glorious body. Phil 3:20-21 Thanks

I think I understand and agree.

So much so that God needs to RECREATE everything! It's utterly amazing how so few here recognize or acknowledge the devastating extent of the affects if sin both within man and without in the the world.

Of course, they were! The Jews considered God to be their FATHER and the FATHER claimed that the Jews were his "firstborn" -- sons and daughters to him;.