Written fir our Admonition 1 Corinthians 10:11

its amazing what we begin to learn when we actually read sections of the Bible and how clear it is and how practical the lessons we learn are so different from what we heard from someone else before

“Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; and were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; and did all eat the same spiritual meat; and did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.

Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭10:1-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Meat and potatoes makes a person grow up

Presently, church leaders have a financial interest to keep the people young and immature in their walk with the Lord.

You got it! Thank you.

And how did I do that?
Thank you.

Really? You are unaware of what you yourself typed? Inserting the word "read"?

My goodness. And then rather than admit that you did this, you try to imply something about me?
Go look in the mirror and please open your eyes while doing so.

Never thought of that but it sure seems about correct to me now that you said it that seems like a big issue .

i heard a guy explaining once a really popular preacher at the time he was explaining that “ if we as pastors and preachers don’t figure out a way to make the gospel sound appealing to people no one’s ever gonna want it “

He was explaining why he never talked about repentance or judgement or any conditions Jesus spoke of ect

i eas very sad as I listened to him just thinking ….if God sending and giving up his only begotten beloved and approved son to suffer and die for sinners , so they can repent and be forgiven and redeemed through believing the gospel

if this isn’t enough to present to people and make it “ attractive “ I don’t know what ever would be the same man rising up from death ?

The loss of doctrine in the present day worlds church is deeply sorrowful to my soul brother because we know where that leads from those examples written for us

it leads from here

“but I have chosen Jerusalem, that my name might be there; and have chosen David to be over my people Israel.”
‭‭2 Chronicles‬ ‭6:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David my servant may have a light alway before me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen me to put my name there.”
‭‭1 Kings‬ ‭11:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then as prophets began to speak of thier own hearts and thoughts

“Then shall they cry unto the LORD, but he will not hear them: he will even hide his face from them at that time, as they have behaved themselves ill in their doings. Thus saith the LORD concerning the prophets that make my people err, that bite with their teeth, and cry, Peace; and he that putteth not into their mouths, they even prepare war against him. But truly I am full of power by the spirit of the LORD, and of judgment, and of might, to declare unto Jacob his transgression, and to Israel his sin. Hear this, I pray you, ye heads of the house of Jacob, and princes of the house of Israel, that abhor judgment, and pervert all equity. They build up Zion with blood, and Jerusalem with iniquity. The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the LORD, and say, Is not the LORD among us? none evil can come upon us. Therefore shall Zion for your sake be plowed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the house as the high places of the forest.”
‭‭Micah‬ ‭3:4-5, 8-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then we see the opposite as was first spoken as the result

“And the LORD said, I will remove Judah also out of my sight, as I have removed Israel, and will cast off this city Jerusalem which I have chosen, and the house of which I said, My name shall be there.”
‭‭2 Kings‬ ‭23:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

When God makes a covenant what he actually says in the covenant making the promises is the most important part of the covenant infact is the covenant word which the blood is then after she’s according to , for remission

were warned so much but so few ot seems Will listen

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

( notice this isn’t pre ordained they are bringing it on to themselves through embracing and spreading heresy that contends with the truth leading others onto shadow and away from light )


And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭2:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the doctrine Jesus taught his believing disciples has really been lost from what’s taught , it remains as ever throughout the word ot and new but from what really gets preached and taught it seems it’s almost completely lost and replaced with every interpretation from man’s heart under the sun

so much that is a person reads a chapter and just accepts what’s being taught plainly and clearly lol tbey then somehow become extreme and a heretic because it disagrees with all the ideas and private interpretations tbey speak from thier own mind and heart like the prophets did in the ot and lead israel to its doom

Your response reminds me of “cafeteria style religion” where you pick what you like and refuse what you don’t like—“I’ll have this, but I don’t want that.” Every scripture I gave is God’s word. 1 Corinthians 16 was written to the church at Corinth, and specifically mentions the churches of Galatia as well. And to all “saints.” This is definitely instruction for Christians. It was not meant to instruct HOW the money was spent or to whom it was given—that is addressed in other scriptures. This passage is authority from God for Christians to take up a collection on the first day of the week, which was when they met together Acts 20:7, and which is called the Lord’s day, because that was the day He was resurrected. It was a general collection EVERY WEEK. It was addressed to “churches” and to “saints.” God does not have to say—“Now don’t take up collections every time you come together” nor does He need to say “only” on the first day of the week. Have you ever heard of the law of elimination? It’s not just for religion it is for anything. It’s a law of logic. If your wife says “ Go to the store and buy bread and milk.” She is not required to say,” don’t buy, meat, don’t buy vegetables, don’t buy cookies, don’t buy ice cream etc, etc, etc, until she names off everything else in the store that she does not want you to buy. That’s ridiculous and unnecessary! When God said to take up a collection on the first day of the week he is not required to say—now don’t take up a collection on Monday, don’t take up a collection on Tuesday, don’t take up a collection in Wednesday, etc, etc. He stated when the collection was to be taken—that eliminates every other day.

When God told the Jews to “Remember the 7th day and keep it Holy”, I don’t know of one Jew who ever asked God, or Moses, or a priest—WHICH SABBATH DAY???? It’s common knowledge that every week has a 7th day. And common sense should tell you that when a 7th day comes around, you are to keep it holy. That is the way the Jews understood what God said. No one ever quibbled, “ but God did not say EVERY 7th day!
Do you see the parallel? Common sense should tell you that when God says take up a collection on the first day of the week, He dies not need to say EVERY first day of the week. It’s common knowledge that every week has a first day—so, every time a first day comes around, the saints in the churches of Christ take up a collection. Just as He instructed in 1 Cor. 16:1-2.

Here’s another example: In Genesis when God told Noah to build the ark out of gopher wood, did God need to say, “ Now don’t use Pine, or cypress, or oak, or cedar, or poplar, etc, etc, until he had eliminated every kind of wood there is??? No. When God specified the kind of wood He wanted, that eliminated every other kind of wood. You may think that if Noah had ignored what God said and used a different kind of wood, it wouldn’t have mattered—the ark would have floated anyway; but I personally have my doubts.

Naaman in 2 Kings woujd not have been cured of his leprosy if he had not obeyed what God said to do and wash in the Jordan River. Would just ANY river work? I don’t think so.

Nadab and Abihu were killed in Leviticus 10 because they did not use the exact “fire” that God commanded.

Peter says “If anyone speaks, let him speak as the oracles of God.” ( 1 Peter 4:11)

Colossians 3:17 “And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord….” That means by His authority. When someone says “Stop, in the name of the law!” That means by thecAUTHORITY of the law. And Jesus says He has ALL AUTHORITY in heaven AND ON EARTH!! Matt. 28:18-19.

It’s all about respecting what God has said and doing it HIS WAY and not our way.
It’s all about trying to please God and not ourselves. I will address other issues in another post. Trying to keep this post from becoming too long.

So you are finding fault with my post just because after I quoted what Jesus said exactly in John 12:47-48, I inserted a parentheses with the word “read” right beside the original word “ hears” to show that it would apply to people who either hear literally or read the words of Christ??? Is that all you’ve got? You are grasping at straws.

You say accept what God says, but then change it? That is not me grasping at straws.

Perhaps you ought to follow your own advice, but you do not.

Addressing your comments on James 2:24–not by faith only: you said “our works have nothing to do with our salvation”, but James 2 says something entirely different. 1) verse 14, James asks a rhetorical question—If a man has faith but does not have works, “Can faith save him?” He is asking if faith without works can save a person and the answer from this text is NO! That doesn’t sound like he is saying that “works have nothing to do with salvation. Do you believe what he says in verse 14- that you can’t be saved by faith without works? I don’t think you believe what it says and yet it was written by the Holy Spirit. 2) look at verse 17. God says “Faith, by itself, if it does not have works is DEAD,” Do you believe these words of God—the Holy Spirit? Not if you believe that “works have nothing to do with our salvation. Those two ideas are directly OPPOSITE to one another. 3) Look at verse 20–“Do you not know oh foolish man that works without faith is dead?” Can we be saved by a “dead” faith. James says No! But you say “works have nothing to do with our being saved”. You and the Holy Spirit are not in agreement. You are saying something entirely different from what He is arguing. Who do you think is wrong? 4) Read verse 21- “Abraham was JUSTIFIED by works.” To be justified means to be saved. So Abraham was SAVED by works. But you don’t believe this. 5) now read verse 24-“ You see then, that a man is JUSTIFIED (saved) by works and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.” But you don’t believe God when He says this. 6) Read verse 25- “…Rahab the harlot was JUSTIFIED (saved) by works.” But you do not believe what God says here. 7) one last verse—verse 27- “For as the body without the Spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead, also.” It is not difficult at all to understand what the Spirit of God is saying here. He repeats it at least 7 times. How can you miss it? Only if you “want” to miss it. You either believe what God says or you don’t. Remember John 12:47-48.

If you read carefully, you will see that I did not change any word of God in John 13:47-48. I quoted it exactly as God said it—using the word “hears” as it is in the passage. That is not changing it or leaving it out. It’s there—just like He said it. I put in a parentheses to include reading along with hearing. It did not change the message of the Holy Spirit at all—the point of the verse is that we all must believe what God has said. If it bothers you that much then for goodness sake just leave it out! The message will be the same.

This is just a “quibble”. You know it and I know it. The point is do you believe what God says in the scriptures I gave— like 1 Peter 3:21, James 2:24, Ezekiel 18, Exodus 32:33, and the others. We both know you do NOT believe what God says in those scriptures. You are one of the people like the man in the story in 2 Kings— you don’t believe many things that God says in the Bible.

Uh huh. Have you built an ark? Do you stone adulterers? Do you sacrifice bulls? Do you attend the Temple in Jerusalem three times each year? Do you go to Macedonia to preach the gospel? Do you lie on your left side for 390 days and then roll over to your right side for a further 40 days? All of these are instruction given in Scripture. Since your answer is "No" to every question, you are just as guilty of "cafeteria style religion" as the next person. Don't be a hypocrite. Context matters!

Um, yes it is. See below.

Here's the whole passage proving your error:

Now about the collection for the Lord’s people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do. 2 On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 3 Then, when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them with your gift to Jerusalem.

Context refutes your claim completely. Paul was CLEARLY instructing the collection of funds for a specific external need, and NOT for the local congregation.

No, it doesn't. You need to apply the law of logic where appropriate, and not where it isn't. Further, since your claim regarding the collection is flawed, your reasoning here is flawed too.

God didn't need to say "every seventh day" because that is implied in "Sabbath" which already occurred every seventh day.

So don't ignore what He said in His word about the collection on the first day of the week being for the saints in Jerusalem!

We are saved by faith, not by works. If the faith we claim is not demonstrated by works, it is not genuine faith. The works demonstrate the faith that has saved us. I'm sorry you have such difficulty with this. I'm not interested in your "but you don't believe" accusations and am not going to argue about this.

In theory, we fight against the lies being promoted by Satan, but, in practice, it inevitably leads to fighting with the people who believe and embrace such lies as well. In other words, whenever you encounter someone who has been inoculated with a false gospel message because someone injected them with something like "Just say this sinner's prayer, and you are once saved, always saved," thereby making them immune to much of God's word, they are never going to progress in their alleged Christian walk (more like a deep sleep from which they have no desire to wake), and they are going to fight against everything that you say that promotes any true growth in the Lord. That is just the way that it is. Rather than get sucked into such fights, just do what God has called Christians to do, and leave the rest up to him. In my way of thinking, and it is biblically-based, there are three "S's" which are in play here, and we, as Christians, only have control over two of them. The three "S's" would be as follows.

Sower
Seed
Soil

You, as the Sower of God's word, need to make sure that your own life is in order or in accordance to God's word. This "S" you can control.

When it comes to the Seed of God's word, you need to make sure what you are saying truly aligns with God's rightly divided word. This "S" you also can control.

When it comes to the Soil or to your audience, you have absolutely no control over their free will choices, and only God can give the increase.

Make sure that your own life is in order, and make sure that what you are telling others is indeed the truth, and then the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth, will strive with your hearers. Whether or not they listen to him is entirely on them, and not on you, so never try to force an increase. When you recognize that people are not going to hear by their own free will choices, then just move on to other people, and don't spin your wheels with those who are never going to listen. That is my advice, and it is biblically-based advice.

Oh, and don't forget how God has graciously provided us with the ignore option here. In other words, you are always going to encounter gate-keepers (those who set themselves to stop any actual biblical truth from being shared), trolls, bullies, etc. on forums, so just ignore them and try to reach others. I already have several people here on ignore myself.
I don't personally know of any such chat sites, but pretty much the whole world is lost, so perhaps chat sites aren't necessary. In other words, the whole world is pretty much a potential harvest field.

For me, I doubt that I will spin my own wheels here much longer. I have tried to reach out to newbies time and time again in my short stint here, and nobody has accepted my gracious offers to help them. I have also spent considerable time in the prayer requests section, and I have truly prayed for quite a number of people here. I believe that God hears my prayers, so hopefully something positive has come out of those efforts on my part. And then there is the Bible Discussion Forum a.k.a. the lesson in futility. In other words, in the few conversations I have been a part of, and in the many conversations that I have read without bothering to engage myself in any of them, nobody seems to ever change their beliefs even a smidgen, so what is all the effort ultimately worth? Nothing, seemingly. That said, even if my participation here wanes, and it already has, and I expect that it will continue to do so, then I still intend to keep my account here in the hope that I might be able to at least positively affect one person somewhere down the line. At the same time, I do fully plan to set the bulk of my attention on others outside of this forum...not that they are any easier to reach.

Self learning. I learn a lot from other peoples' errors and having to formulate what I believe into clear language so I can be more confident that what I believe is actually the truth. So it's mainly for me. Whoever else benefits is in God's hands and not my concern. My concern is to be as faithful as possible to the revelation God has given me and sow those insights as opportunity arises. I think too many people are trying to convince others rather than convince their own minds and hearts that they're walking the straight path

Is there truth to what you said? Sure, there is, but my own confidence is found in God's word itself, and it is not really reliant at all upon the erroneous beliefs of others. As I said in a recent post, I honestly know what most people here are going to say before they even say it. Why? Am I omniscient? Am I a prophet? No, and no. It's just that I've heard it all so many, many times before. In other words, I am quite familiar with the false gospel messages which are out there, and I know how the adherents of the same will inevitably behave.

@Beckworth

In my earlier response, I forgot to specifically mention "gnat strainers." You know, those who will comb through your posts while seeking to find the smallest thing imaginable that they can argue against, and while simultaneously swallowing a camel by ignoring everything that you actually intended to say. Do yourself a favor, and just put them on ignore. It will help you to stay focused upon those who might actually consider anything that you have to say.

And the works revealed are not mine, it is God's done work, working through us onto the crowd, the same as when pentecost took place it was not the disciples speaking it was God through them without any rituals first as man continues to have to do first, even when Peter spoke to Cornelius's house of Gentiles in act 9, 10
God loves us for all time to repent (Chang mind) believe God and be new in the same love and mercy given first, wow, thank you Lord
Then the new comes in and is in and one does not have t defend anything. One is freed in love and mercy to all, amazing grace it is. To me at least after another long walk off a short pier

Your earlier post implied that it is wrong for congregational leaders to invite an offering every time the church gathered, rather than just one day a week. The verse you posted is from 1 Corinthians 16, and its context clearly shows that offering was for the saints in Jerusalem, refuting your claim. So what exactly is your concern? There's no point in long threads restating matters on which we agree.