Written fir our Admonition 1 Corinthians 10:11

[Beckworth]

Paul says the things that were written in the Old Testament are “our examples” verse 6, so that we should not sin as they did, and “they were written for our admonition. One version says for our learning. Many of the stories in the Old Testament have wonderful spiritual lessons for us today in the 21st century. One such story can be found in 2 Kings 6 & 7.

The city of Samaria was surrounded by the Syrian army with its horses and chariots. The Israelites inside the city were starving. A donkey’s head sold for 80 shekels of silver; they were eating dove droppings and even began eating their children (6:39)
The King of Samaria blames Elisha, God’s prophet for this and he and one of his officers go to Elisha’s house in the city. The King thinks waiting on God is useless, but Elisha says, “Hear the WORD OF THE LORD, Thus says the Lord…” by about this time tomorrow there will be plenty of food and it will be sold at everyday prices.

The officer that came with the King said that that couldn’t be so, “even if God made windows in heaven.” Although he did not express it, He didn’t believe in God’s word or His power. He was basically calling God a liar. Elisha’s response was, “ you shall see it with your eyes, but you will not eat of it.” How God brought this to pass is a wonderful story, and you can read about it in chapter 7. The next morning, it happened just as Elisha predicted; there was enough food outside the gate of Samaria to feed the entire city of starving people, “according to the word of the Lord.” The King put the officer that did not believe what God said, in charge of opening the gate, and when he did, the people in their rush to get to the food, trampled him to death. “Just as Elisha said.”

What is the lesson in this story for us today in the 21st century? Isn’t it that we should BELIEVE God’s word? Many people today do not hold what God says in very high esteem. Many believe in their own ideas, or “feelings” OVER what God has said in the Bible. But the Bible is the word of God and it is how God talks to us today. John 12:47-48 Jesus says “If anyone hears (reads) my words and does not believe…He who rejects me and does not receive my words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.” Our punishment for not believing what God has said may not be PHYSICAL death as it was for that officer of the King in 2 Kings 7, but even worse, it will be SPIRITUAL death and eternal separation from God.

 

[Dino246]

Do you see this as a problem for Christians, or for non-Christians?

 

[Magenta]

Many people today do not hold what God says in very high esteem. Many believe in their own ideas,
or “feelings” OVER what God has said in the Bible. But the Bible is the word of God and it is how God
talks to us today. John 12:47-48 Jesus says “If anyone hears (reads) my words and does not believe...

You are substituting what you believe over what the Bible actually says.

 

[Beckworth]

Do you see this as a problem for Christians, or for non-Christians?

Yes. The reason we have so much division in Christianity is because men either refuse to believe what is written in the Bible or they don’t like certain passages or it doesn’t fit their preferred doctrine. We could all be United if we would just accept what God has said In His word.

Atheist don’t have any trouble understanding Genesis 1:1– “In the beginning GOD…”. They just don’t believe it.

James 2:24 says we are NOT saved by faith alone, but 9/10 of the denominations don’t believe what God says and still teach and believe we are saved by faith alone.

I Peter 3:21 says in no uncertain terms that baptism saves us. But 9/10 of denominations don’t believe it.

1 Corinthians 16:2 says that churches of Christ should take up a church collection on the first day of the week and that they should give as they have been prospered. But 9/10 of denominations don’t believe it and still believe and bind the old Jewish law of “tithing”. And take up collections at every meeting any and everyday of the week.

The word “baptize” means to “dip, plunge, or immerse, but many denominations think “sprinkling” is just as good and more convenient.

Ezekiel 18 makes it very plain that sin is NOT inherited; you can’t pass sin down from father to son, But Calvinist still believe we inherited sin from Adam.

In Exodus 32:33, God said those who sin He would blot out of the book of life, but probably about half of Christianity still believes you can’t be blotted out of the book of life.

And on, and on, and on. So yes. Not believing what God has said is very much a problem today. It may be surprising because it is such a common practice that no one questions it.

 

[Beckworth]

You are substituting what you believe over what the Bible actually says.

How so? All I did was repeat a story that the Holy Spirit told in the Old Testanent. Did I tell it wrong? If my post is wrong—please tell me what is wrong about it? Did I not tell the story accurately?

 

[p_rehbein]

Atheist don’t have any trouble understanding Genesis 1:1– “In the beginning GOD…”. They just don’t believe it.

No such thing as an atheist. To be an atheist, on must NOT believe in ANYTHING! Every person believes in some person/thing. Whoever that person is/whatever that thing is is their God. Even if it's themselves.

 

[Beckworth]

No such thing as an atheist. To be an atheist, on must NOT believe in ANYTHING! Every person believes in some person/thing. Whoever that person is/whatever that thing is is their God. Even if it's themselves.

My purpose is not to define atheism but to show how people ( whatever you call them) do not believe What God has said. There is abundant proof that Atheist don’t believe in the God of the Bible, nor anything He might have said. Do you want to argue about that?

 

[Beckworth]

You are substituting what you believe over what the Bible actually says.

The main point of my post was to show how important it is to believe what God says and to encourage everyone to accept His words. How can that be wrong? I’m surprised that anyone who calls themselves a believer in God woujd find fault with that.

John 12:48 proves that God thinks this is a problem, too, and gives us encouragement and warning about it.

 

[Beckworth]

Do you see this as a problem for Christians, or for non-Christians?

Yes, and God thinks this is a problem, too; because in John 12:47-48 He says,” If anyone hears my words and does NOT BELIEVE…he who rejects me and does NOT RECEIVE MY WORDS…”. God knew His words would not be believed and accepted by all people. There are many things He says and teaches in His word that people are not going to like. Consequently, there are efforts made to twist, pervert, find loopholes, or “get around” things He has said that are not popular.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

And on, and on, and on. So yes. Not believing what God has said is very much a problem today. It may be surprising because it is such a common practice that no one questions it.

Many who are taught false doctrines don't think for themselves and are not diligent students of the word, so they cannot hear what scripture says

 

[Beckworth]

Many who are taught false doctrines don't think for themselves and are not diligent students of the word, so they cannot hear what scripture says

Yes. Jesus said they were “spiritually” blind and deaf. I agree.

 

[keepingthingsreal]

Not believing what God has said is very much a problem today.

Not just today, but from Adam and Eve forward.

It may be surprising because it is such a common practice that no one questions it.

There are people who question it. I know because I am one of those who do. In my case, I have found the reasons why this problem exists in the pages of scripture, and I cannot change anybody's will but my own. Many professing Christians today merely regurgitate whatever they have been taught in church. Even here on this forum, I know what most people are going to say before they say it. There are many wannabe theologians in this world who have no true regard for either God or man. It is all about them, and they love contention and strife. Your best bet is to go for the lost. You have much better odds of positively affecting them than you do of trying to get those who profess to know Christ to truly and humbly examine their own doctrine.

 

[Blain]

much of Christianity does indeed discount the old testament but the same can be said of the new testament as well due to the specific denomination or doctrine one holds.

This is why there has to be a reverence for his word we cannot believe one part and not another his word is his word so if we hold his word as highlly as we claim we cannot be adding or subtracting it as we see fit.
It isn't that there is no reverence for his word but it certainly isn't revered as it should be if we believe one part but not another

I think this is what the op was talking about I don't think they were injecting their own view they were making a point that we should take heart.

 

[Magenta]

The main point of my post was to show how important it is to believe what God says and to encourage everyone to accept His words. How can that be wrong? I’m surprised that anyone who calls themselves a believer in God woujd find fault with that.

John 12:48 proves that God thinks this is a problem, too, and gives us encouragement and warning about it.

If it is so important to believe what God said, why was it necessary for you to change it?

 

[Sipsey]

Paul says the things that were written in the Old Testament are “our examples” verse 6, so that we should not sin as they did, and “they were written for our admonition. One version says for our learning. Many of the stories in the Old Testament have wonderful spiritual lessons for us today in the 21st century. One such story can be found in 2 Kings 6 & 7.

The city of Samaria was surrounded by the Syrian army with its horses and chariots. The Israelites inside the city were starving. A donkey’s head sold for 80 shekels of silver; they were eating dove droppings and even began eating their children (6:39)
The King of Samaria blames Elisha, God’s prophet for this and he and one of his officers go to Elisha’s house in the city. The King thinks waiting on God is useless, but Elisha says, “Hear the WORD OF THE LORD, Thus says the Lord…” by about this time tomorrow there will be plenty of food and it will be sold at everyday prices.

The officer that came with the King said that that couldn’t be so, “even if God made windows in heaven.” Although he did not express it, He didn’t believe in God’s word or His power. He was basically calling God a liar. Elisha’s response was, “ you shall see it with your eyes, but you will not eat of it.” How God brought this to pass is a wonderful story, and you can read about it in chapter 7. The next morning, it happened just as Elisha predicted; there was enough food outside the gate of Samaria to feed the entire city of starving people, “according to the word of the Lord.” The King put the officer that did not believe what God said, in charge of opening the gate, and when he did, the people in their rush to get to the food, trampled him to death. “Just as Elisha said.”

What is the lesson in this story for us today in the 21st century? Isn’t it that we should BELIEVE God’s word? Many people today do not hold what God says in very high esteem. Many believe in their own ideas, or “feelings” OVER what God has said in the Bible. But the Bible is the word of God and it is how God talks to us today. John 12:47-48 Jesus says “If anyone hears (reads) my words and does not believe…He who rejects me and does not receive my words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.” Our punishment for not believing what God has said may not be PHYSICAL death as it was for that officer of the King in 2 Kings 7, but even worse, it will be SPIRITUAL death and eternal separation from God.

I believe your initial post is fine. Your subsequent assertions seem to indicate what you really wanted to say. God always spoke truth to angelic beings, and mankind beginning in Eden. His words/message always was to teach humankind what He expected from us, and in turn what mankind could expect from Him. He made specific covenants throughout history and though He never changed in what He said, He indeed changed the way He taught.

This seems to be the crux of the matter when it comes to trying to figure out what God expects from us today in 2024. Simple faith is good, but it is meant to be incorporated into one’s thinking and daily life. Many want to make it into a list of do’s and don’ts, but it goes beyond that. It takes a lot of work to realize that it’s not about work, and a lot of faith to know it’s more than faith.

 

[homwardbound]

Paul says the things that were written in the Old Testament are “our examples” verse 6, so that we should not sin as they did, and “they were written for our admonition. One version says for our learning. Many of the stories in the Old Testament have wonderful spiritual lessons for us today in the 21st century. One such story can be found in 2 Kings 6 & 7.

The city of Samaria was surrounded by the Syrian army with its horses and chariots. The Israelites inside the city were starving. A donkey’s head sold for 80 shekels of silver; they were eating dove droppings and even began eating their children (6:39)
The King of Samaria blames Elisha, God’s prophet for this and he and one of his officers go to Elisha’s house in the city. The King thinks waiting on God is useless, but Elisha says, “Hear the WORD OF THE LORD, Thus says the Lord…” by about this time tomorrow there will be plenty of food and it will be sold at everyday prices.

The officer that came with the King said that that couldn’t be so, “even if God made windows in heaven.” Although he did not express it, He didn’t believe in God’s word or His power. He was basically calling God a liar. Elisha’s response was, “ you shall see it with your eyes, but you will not eat of it.” How God brought this to pass is a wonderful story, and you can read about it in chapter 7. The next morning, it happened just as Elisha predicted; there was enough food outside the gate of Samaria to feed the entire city of starving people, “according to the word of the Lord.” The King put the officer that did not believe what God said, in charge of opening the gate, and when he did, the people in their rush to get to the food, trampled him to death. “Just as Elisha said.”

What is the lesson in this story for us today in the 21st century? Isn’t it that we should BELIEVE God’s word? Many people today do not hold what God says in very high esteem. Many believe in their own ideas, or “feelings” OVER what God has said in the Bible. But the Bible is the word of God and it is how God talks to us today. John 12:47-48 Jesus says “If anyone hears (reads) my words and does not believe…He who rejects me and does not receive my words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.” Our punishment for not believing what God has said may not be PHYSICAL death as it was for that officer of the King in 2 Kings 7, but even worse, it will be SPIRITUAL death and eternal separation from God.

This be what I see. People interpret it to themselves for their own purposes. God said it, I believe God and I received from God!
What are you receiving from God?

I see this truth it is either new life in the risen Son Jesus Christ or it is not, even though many think they got it in their interpretations given them by their religion of a person(s) standing on the pulpit as if are in charge. When the risen Jesus is risen and is Spirit no more today known in the flesh as said in 2 Cor 5:16-20 once knew him in the flesh, today no more.
God Father and Son won (One) for us the people under Law to live new above our circumstances, whether good or bad happening now, in the past or might happen bad or good in the future second or years from now.

God simply loves us all, respond top that in risen Son please and see new and hear God tell you the truth that sets you free from Law(s) that man continues to put in place to control you. You are freed to willingly obey. Will you go to a cross willingly as Jesus did? Probably not, I see I wouldn't and yet he did, I respect this and now stand in trust to God over even the Bible written. that has got in the way of personal relationships between God and self
God loves us all y'all
Thanks

 

[Blain]

We all to some degree overcomplicate or disregard the word of God or insert our own beliefs into it it is human nature and it is a constant dedicated practice to die to that line of thinking.
What interests me is how easy it is to do this but hard not to this makes it require dedication to listen to his word with our hearts solely to hear him not ourselves.

The whole bible is the word of God from eevery letter and number in it all of it is the spoken word of God imagine if we treated it like that I mean imagine standing before God himself as he is speaking to you all that is written would you inject what you think or cherry pick some of what he says? would you use it to attack others or to show how superior you are in being well versed in his word?

I am guessing not the fear of the Lord would never allow it you wouldn'y dare yet because we are not before him how easily his word is abused or used for the wrong reason or how easily it is interpreted instead of heard we all have to really think about this but to speak on the op maybe I missed something and they are saying something else but from what I can tell there didn't seem to be any personal agenda as far as I could tell

 

[keepingthingsreal]

the fear of the Lord would never allow it

And that is what is sorely lacking.

 

[Dino246]

Yes. The reason we have so much division in Christianity is because men either refuse to believe what is written in the Bible or they don’t like certain passages or it doesn’t fit their preferred doctrine. We could all be United if we would just accept what God has said In His word.

Atheist don’t have any trouble understanding Genesis 1:1– “In the beginning GOD…”. They just don’t believe it.

Agreed, so far.

James 2:24 says we are NOT saved by faith alone, but 9/10 of the denominations don’t believe what God says and still teach and believe we are saved by faith alone.

Our salvation is by grace through faith. Our faith is demonstrated by our works. Our works add nothing to the fact of our salvation. If you think that works are required, you must exclude the infirm from salvation.

I Peter 3:21 says in no uncertain terms that baptism saves us. But 9/10 of denominations don’t believe it.

The context does not support the idea that baptism is salvific in the same way that belief in Christ is.

1 Corinthians 16:2 says that churches of Christ should take up a church collection on the first day of the week and that they should give as they have been prospered. But 9/10 of denominations don’t believe it and still believe and bind the old Jewish law of “tithing”. And take up collections at every meeting any and everyday of the week.

The context here is critical: Paul was encouraging an offering for a specific purpose outside the local congregation. Nothing in the text speaks to offerings for the support of local believers, of the local elders, or for the poor. There is nothing that says offerings may only be collected on the first day of the week; Paul was probably suggesting that once a week was convenient and easy to remember.

By the way, I agree on the error of tithing among Christians; it is of the old covenant and not of the new covenant in Christ's blood.

The word “baptize” means to “dip, plunge, or immerse, but many denominations think “sprinkling” is just as good and more convenient.

Agreed.

Ezekiel 18 makes it very plain that sin is NOT inherited; you can’t pass sin down from father to son, But Calvinist still believe we inherited sin from Adam.

What this passage teaches (clearly, I might add!) is that the son is not to be punished for the sins of the father, nor vice-versa. It says nothing about the inheritance of the sin nature, which we do receive from Adam (see Romans 5:12).

In Exodus 32:33, God said those who sin He would blot out of the book of life, but probably about half of Christianity still believes you can’t be blotted out of the book of life.

And on, and on, and on. So yes. Not believing what God has said is very much a problem today. It may be surprising because it is such a common practice that no one questions it.

Generally, it appears that you are treating every word of Scripture as though it is spoken to the Church corporately or Christians individually today. That is not the case. While God may bring any passage to the attention of one person for an individual purpose, much of the Bible is not "to" us today. It is for our instruction (general), not our direction (specific).

Further, you must consider the context of each word, phrase, sentence, verse, and passage. While we usually do this without extra effort, it is necessary to look at the historical, cultural, and theological contexts as well. We can't simply take a verse without any context and apply it to our lives (or attempt to impose our understanding on others) without that contextual consideration. Doing so has led to many errors, some very serious.

 

[Beckworth]

Not just today, but from Adam and Eve forward.
There are people who question it. I know because I am one of those who do. In my case, I have found the reasons why this problem exists in the pages of scripture, and I cannot change anybody's will but my own. Many professing Christians today merely regurgitate whatever they have been taught in church. Even here on this forum, I know what most people are going to say before they say it. There are many wannabe theologians in this world who have no true regard for either God or man. It is all about them, and they love contention and strife. Your best bet is to go for the lost. You have much better odds of positively affecting them than you do of trying to get those who profess to know Christ to truly and humbly examine their own doctrine.

I agree with all you have said. You are right that I would probably have more success with people who are not already indoctrinated with false doctrine, but there is much scripture that tells Christians to warn and rebuke false teaching. It’s not the people who believe these false doctrines, that I am fighting—it’s the error that is being promoted by Satan. I would love to also converse with those who are lost. Do you know of a chat site that is made up of unbelievers? That would be awesome.