Understanding God’s election

And we're choosing like never before in our life. After all, the Truth has set us free and Jesus has as well. Once we were free FROM righteousness; now we're free FROM the control of sin which makes us free TO choose what is RIGHT! Look at this NC age as a big dress rehearsal for the eternal, visible Kingdom in which all the saints will only be able to choose what is good, righteous and holy, since in that age all God's saints will be perfectly, completely and eternally conformed to the image of Christ.

I don't think you will enjoy the Age to come, since in your world, true freedom is being able to make choices contrary to our nature. But....all that is contrary to good, righteousness and holiness won't even enter a saint's mind; for the saints will be so overwhelmed by the majesty, glory, power and love of God that all we will want to do is worship him, praise him, thank him and serve him forever and ever. But you free willers will certainly feel like fish out of water in that age!

Nope. You keep using words I don't use as though I do. Selection is not election. When you learn the difference, you will have a greater understanding of God and His ways.

And if you are not going to allow me types and figures from the OT, then don't allow them for yourself.

Election, not selection, is clearly taught concerning Israel. God made a completely new and distinctive people who were not a people. This Jesus does for those of the new creation. They come into the world but are not part of it, just as God called Israel to be separate. Entrance into this kingdom is limited like Israel, but entrance is not through physical birth, but by spiritual birth. This is the reason that Isaac, a child of promise, was given to Abraham and Sarah when a natural birth was no longer possible. It was promised by God, and only God had a hand in bringing it to pass. I'm sure you believe God forced Isaac to be born, and forced Abraham and Sarah to have and accept the child against their will. Yet the Bible seems to suggest otherwise. They seemed quite happy about it.
Conversely, Ishmael was a product of the natural sinful realm. He was born by natural processes out of a sinful act. God had no supernatural hand in it, and rejected Ishmael.
If God chose between the 2 because of something outside of Himself, that would be selection. That isn't what happened. What happened was God chose to create Isaac supernaturally and place him into the human race, and had God not done so, Isaac would never have existed. That's what election is. God isn't selecting between people who already exist, He is bringing a people into the world supernaturally placing them into His kingdom. Without election, there is no creation of those in Christ before the foundation of the world.

Now you know what election actually is, so perhaps you won't mischaracterize it in the future.

More stuff attributed to me I didn't say. Obviously not all of Israel was redeemed; neither were the 3 mentioned the only ones. Anyone reading Hebrews 11 would know this.
I didn't say whether Ismail was saved or not. I said he was rejected by God. Another shark jumped.
The juxtaposition of the rescue of the Israelites and the destruction of the Egyptians is clearly a picture of salvation and damnation. God brought life to one group and death to the other. Couldn't be any more clear.
But if you did read post#4065, you missed the point altogether.

Do you believe the death of Jesus Christ accomplished anything good for those who are in Hell?

LIke irresistible grace was made up...

Like limited atonement also.

Ephisians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise.

You were not sealed with the Holy Spirit until AFTER you believed in Jesus.

You did not have the Holy Spirit before you heard the gospel.

Ephesians 1:4
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

In Christ you have been chosen to be holy, blameless, and loving of others.

Before anyone heard the gospel of Jesus Christ were they bearing the fruit of the Holy Spirit?

Re "I have never claimed that faith is meritorious. I'm not sure where you got that idea. It is the opposite of my belief."

Why else would you refuse to ascribe the ability to seek and have faith in God to sinners? If it is non-meritorious, what's the problem?

Re "I do not ignore that A&E are examples of sin and Abe an example of faith. It is quite shocking how easily you lie.

Sorry, I thought that if you viewed Abraham as an example of saving faith for all to be erroneous that you would probably think the same about A&E being an example of sin for all.

Re "I never said the gospel message was foolishness to Abe. I don't know why you feel you have to make up so much crap.":

I inferred it from you saying that the natural/uncircumcised man--which Abraham was--could not believe the Gospel unless God circumcised his heart first, but Paul says Abraham had faith first before circumcision, so how do you avoid implying that crap?

Re "Blaspheming God. I never said He hated humanity. My God, what a liar you are to be so dishonest about what I believe."

What I said was that by denying the teaching that God loves and wants to save all people you implicitly ascribe to Him hatred of however many humans you think He does not elect to circumcise--and you did not say that you believe God circumcises everyone's heart just now, so how do you avoid this implication?

My amended understanding is this:

1. You agree with Paul's teaching that faith is a non-meritorious acceptance of Christ's work. It is the way God enables people to be saved.

2. You agree with Paul's teaching that A&E exemplify sin but disagree that Abraham exemplifies faith

3. You disagree with Paul's teaching that Abraham was saved by faith first and THEN God deemed him to be righteous or spiritually circumcised,

4. You agree with Paul's teaching that the proto-gospel message was NOT foolishness to Abrahan, which is why he chose to believe it,

5. You seem oblivious to the implication that by ignoring Paul's teaching that God loves and wants to save all people, which means that He gives every sinner volition, thereby enabling him to seek salvation--or not, you ascribe hatred for the part of humanity whose hearts God does not circumcise so they may believe and be saved and effectually force them to go to hell.

BTW, it is wrong to say someone lies when they merely misunderstand you.

The entire nation God "foreknew"? Or just people in the nation he "foreknew"? Hint: read down to v.5.

Why else would you refuse to ascribe the ability to seek and have faith in God to sinners? If it is non-meritorious, what's the problem?

So are the reprobate those that were not elect?

If God chose Isaac then there were a million natural born babies that God did not elect?

You need to clarify more.

Did God elect Jacob and his 12 sons and were they spiritually born?

You are confusing.

26 and so all Israel will be saved.

Did they stumble so as to fall?

32 For God has shut up all in disobedience, so that He may show mercy to all.

I do not understand the difference between spiritually born and naturally born?

I know Moses was chosen so was Moses spiritually born?

If Moses was spiritually born how come he was rejected?

They have God treating people like a little girl playing house with dolls.
She makes them speak. She makes them do as she wishes...
She is sovereign over them.......

we keep saying it is about doing what was commanded

Hah! God has allotted to every man a measure of faith (Rom 12:3). But the earlier portion of v.3 qualifies who "every man" is! This is how the entire verse reads:

Rom 12:3
3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among YOU, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
KJV

And the "you" in this verse can only be the original audience to whom Paul was writing (Rom 1:7, 13)...and again this is reinforced in 12:1 wherein he addresses his audience as "brethren". In short, the "every man" among "you" is limited to believers. Every child of God has been allotted a measure of faith.

Adam never chose anything it was all the will of God.

Either God is sovereign or God is not sovereign?

The people He previously knew was Israel.

In the context requires extra verses.

5 In the same way then, there has also come to be at the present time a remnant according to God’s gracious choice. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, since otherwise grace is no longer grace.7 What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened; 8 just as it is written:
“God gave them a spirit of stupor, Eyes to see not and ears to hear not, Down to this very day.”

9 And David says, “May their table become a snare and a trap, And a stumbling block and a retribution to them.10 May their eyes be darkened to see not, And bend their backs continually.”11 I say then, they did not stumble so as to fall, did they?

Looks like all Israel to me.

26 and so all Israel will be saved.

Did they stumble so as to fall?

32 For God has shut up all in disobedience, so that He may show mercy to all.

Salvation comes through faith. How can faith not be part of the gift. That's like Santa giving you a gift but rather than delivering it to you he leaves it in the North Pole. Faith is the delivery mechanism of the grace, just as Santa's sleigh is the delivery mechanism of your gift. No delivery, no gift.

Your analogy is incorrect and see how you twist faith to make it look like a work.

Faith is believing IN/trusting IN the person who states they have the gift and accepting it from the person.

If God chose between the 2 because of something outside of Himself, that would be selection. That isn't what happened. What happened was God chose to create Isaac supernaturally and place him into the human race, and had God not done so, Isaac would never have existed. That's what election is. God isn't selecting between people who already exist, He is bringing a people into the world supernaturally placing them into His kingdom. Without election, there is no creation of those in Christ before the foundation of the world.

Now you know what election actually is, so perhaps you won't mischaracterize it in the future.