What Changed?

But Justice has already been served on behalf of all God's elect at the Cross of Christ, so God is free to have mercy and compassion on whom He wills (Rom 9:15).

They can't belong to Christ without the indwelling of the Spirit...Romans 8. Simply because God didn't reveal this until the NT doesn't negate its truth.
I will grant that the indwelling was different compared to the Spirit being poured out since Pentecost, but we see evidence of the Spirit in the world as early as Genesis 1:2. And you might be surprised how often He is mentioned in the OT.

Well then, who makes that decision, God or man? I need to fathom this, don't we all?
God is still the only one good is God not? Man is mostly out for the self, from what I have seen that is truth over it all, that includes me. Who puts who in charge does God or man?
When God has no respect of persons, I do not see God putting anyone else in charge but Son, whom God raised from the dead, left for us the people to believe and stand in belief to this truth for us to be freed from under Law Laws of man. Do you see this too?
Gal. 3:19-26

Well thanks for your opinion. But I understand quite well.

Abraham was declared righteous when he had faith when he was imputed Gods righteousness, in which he was made righteous.


I was saved through my baptism of the Holy SPirit. I was justified by faith, and when the HS baptized me into christ, his blood cleansed me of all sin

Now reading your comments here. I do believe you may be comfused some

Your still dead in your sin until you are justified.

You can try to blow this fact off all you want. it will never make you right.

Well thanks for your opinion. But I understand quite well.

Abraham was declared righteous when he had faith when he was imputed Gods righteousness, in which he was made righteous.


I was saved through my baptism of the Holy SPirit. I was justified by faith, and when the HS baptized me into christ, his blood cleansed me of all sin

Now reading your comments here. I do believe you may be comfused some

Your still dead in your sin until you are justified.

You can try to blow this fact off all you want. it will never make you right.

What have you that you have not received?

Thanks for sharing. When Abraham was declared righteous, had he already been made righteous?

Thanks for sharing. When Abraham was declared righteous, had he already been made righteous?

Gen 15: 6 And he believed in the Lord, and He accounted it to him for righteousness.

Rom 4:
3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was [b]accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted [c]as grace but as debt.
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be [d]sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

2 views:
From Abraham's perspective...exercised faith and accounted righteous. God makes known to Him what is true of him...God will provide Himself a Lamb.
From God's perspective...Jesus is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Righteousness will be declared (revealed) through faith. Faith will come by My words.

Why does God tell us that Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world? What does it mean?

declared righteous by God, because Abraham believed God. On the way to sacrifice Son, Abraham thought in belief, God could raise Son form the dead. What an allegory of Son raised, before it happened in Jesus for us to be raised now in belief, our reaction too this truth reveals the fruit. Our arguing does not reveal real fruit to me, and I have done that too, argue, now I see not to in willing beleif I do not, unless get put under Law again and have been.
I saw a forest of trees, all lusciously looking delicious. I went there and ate. It did not taste great, yet a lot of others were eating from them too. So I developed a taste, eventually I saw this. I was eating waxed fruit and was not satisfied needing the real fruit to eat. Still had a hole I'm my heart.
I then saw a tree all by itself, with one piece of fruit hanging from it. I went over to it to see it and eat it. But stopped not wanting to be selfish in, if another person needed it. Yet I heard eat it, so I did, and wow as I watched this tree immediately grow another fruit on it waiting for the next person to eat from it too, and be born again too.
that was the Tree of Life I got to eat from and it touched my lips and I was cleansed.
Isaiah 6:1-7
Next for the next person ready, for the next person, time to eat as God permits, knowing who is sincere and who is not, then God will permit or not Hebrews 6:3, knowing best, when it be time for the next person to eat and see this too
Thanking Father and Son as Won (One) for us to eat and be freed also. So go on and try please as in Galatians 6:7-9

God saw on the seventh day all is good and rested, time for us to do the same, (Hebrews 4) you think? God did it, I believe it and accept it as done in thanksgiving and praise to God not self or anyone else but Son the two as Won (One), The below is what God saw from Genesis, that no one else understood until after getting born again new from God through risen Son, thanks. yet that willing one time death had to take away sin first, before any new life could ever be given to anyone. That be why Jesus went to Spirit prison first for those three days, to tell those there that were waiting for him to come and save them. Then they rose with him, amazing grace

Genesis 3:15 NIV - And I will put enmity between you and

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15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.”.
‎King James Version (KJV) · ‎Genesis 3:15 · ‎New King James Version (NKJV) · ‎ESV

1 Peter 3:19
by which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Oh, and wait a sec, there had to be a second witness to Jesus as the Messiah, wondering who that might have been? Judas maybe, I bet yet no biblical proof, yet I hear how merciful God is

Actually he died for the world.

And your right, he is free to have mercy and compassion on whoever he wills

what is his will?

Whoever sees and believes will never perish, but have eternal life.. These are jesus own words. Not mine.

I don't really know what you are saying here. My question is: when someone is declared a thing, they already have to be that thing for the declaration to be true?

I'm not following this either. Can you state your point more succinctly?

Oh boy, God just loves you and me and everyone else too
Freedom is found in knowing that God loves and accepts you. When you know beyond all doubt that you are your Daddy’s delight, you will be free from the need to please others. The pressure to perform will lift and the unholy expectations of men will seem ridiculous. My Father is pleased with me. I…
do yhuo see this too, I assuredly hope so, thank you

Ask God directly for God's love for you, and trust God to reveal the truth to you, thank you
I cannot be any clearer and am sorry you do not get it. Love you

2 views:
From Abraham's perspective...exercised faith and accounted righteous. God makes known to Him what is true of him...God will provide Himself a Lamb.
From God's perspective...Jesus is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Righteousness will be declared (revealed) through faith. Faith will come by My words.

Why does God tell us that Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world? What does it mean?

So what precedes what: His mercy and compassion precedes faith and redemption or does faith precede mercy and faith?

If the latter, then how can it be that God has mercy and compassion based on his choice, since the sinner [sovereignly] chose God first, then this would make God indebted to the sinner.

Hint: When God "came down" to rescue and redeem the Israelites from Egypt, was it because the Israelites were a people of faith, and so God subsequently decided to make good on his promises to Abraham, or did he sovereignly choose to rescue them in spite of their overall faithless condition, and then subsequently, after the parting of the Red Sea, [many] Israelites came to believe in God and in his Servant Moses?