There will be no Rapture!!!

The Latin Vulgate is the Bible that used the word rapiemur, meaning, “we shall. be caught up.”

Today can be your Rapture very well, and take a dirt nap.

it is literally a "blink and you'll miss it" event.

I like the word rapture myself, it has seven letters, a significant number in Scripture. It's simple, really. Go to Google Translate and put in "caught up," and in today's Latin, it shows as "raptus." Another significant definition of raptus is "animus exultant" or "soul exulting."
"And my soul shall be joyful in the LORD: it shall rejoice (exult) in his salvation." (Psalm 35:9 KJB)
Blessings

and you can't discern well :

"demon that causes a person to be lame and confined to a wheel chair...
Can, by mutual agreement, remove itself from that body to make it look like its a healing from God."

The rapture should be easily observed all 'round the world if it proceeds as
described in 1Thess 4:13-17 because 2,000 years of deceased believers
from all over the globe added to the world's current believers will likely
result in a flash mob resembling a mini Oort Cloud when they all levitate
together at one time to rendezvous with the Lord up in the sky.

The "blink" element of the rapture pertains to the miraculous transformation
that Jesus' followers will undergo during the event. (1Cor 15:51-52)

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The rapture should be easily observed all 'round the world if it proceeds as
described in 1Thess 4:13-17 because 2,000 years of deceased believers
from all over the globe added to the world's current believers will likely
result in a flash mob resembling a mini Oort Cloud when they all levitate
together at one time to rendezvous with the Lord up in the sky.

The "blink" element of the rapture pertains to the miraculous transformation
that Jesus' followers will undergo during the event. (1Cor 15:51-52)
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On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:22-23

Can you see it now?

grace and patience ....

So let me see if I understand your view... are you saying:

--the "abomination of desolation" (v.15) that they will "see" at a certain point, takes place at the START of the 7 year period?;

--and that, upon their "see[-ing]" this, that those which be in Judea are to "FLEE into the mountains" (v.16) likewise at the START of the 7 year period?




... because v.21 (of that context) says, "FOR *THEN* shall be GREAT tribulation such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be"--that is, at the time they "see" the AOD and "flee to the mountains" because of it.

I don't see that as occurring right out of the bat at the START of the 7-year period. The AOD (and that which is associated with it) is/comes at MID-trib (halfway through the 7 years, not at its start).

Let me see if I grasp what you're saying.

There are many places that say "Son of man cometh / is coming / shall come / coming of / etc" (speaking of His Second Coming TO THE EARTH [to judge and to reign]);

--so are you suggesting that the phrase "son of man" *means* "that of the flesh" (instead of referring to Jesus, in these texts which state "Son of man cometh / is coming / shall come / coming of / etc") ??

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Nah. "Rapture" is not defined as death / dying.

You already defined it correctly in the top quote-box.

And our Rapture will take place corporately (it pertains SOLELY TO the corporate BODY of Christ / the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY [Eph1:20-23 WHEN (as to its existence)]... and will occur in ONE SINGULAR "SNATCH-action"--the entire "ONE BODY" "caught-up" at once)

The person was not healed of a disease.

A demon was removed that was causing a disorder.
A disorder that appeared to be a DISEASE.

Learn the difference...

You can't read.

I asked :


Show me where Jesus or the Apostles healed a person, and the demon came back to make them sick again.

Show me in the New Testament where a demon that was possessing a person left and came back.

The text you provided doesn't say anything about my questions.

Firstly the poster never said anything about Jesus or the apostles healing a person that was possessed. You don't heal people who are possessed, you release them or tell the spirit to go.

What you didn't understand as to why @Genez quoted the verse he did is because in his original post, he spoke of how demons conspire to deceive people by voluntarily leaving their "host" in order to give the appearance that people are healed by the false prophet/teacher. In this way they keep people from the truth, who is Christ.

Did not the abomination of Desolation happen when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD.

That being said I believe from what I see in scripture immediately preceding the taking of the Church those days are the beginning of sorrow and what is known as the Tribulation period.

Firstly the poster never said anything about Jesus or the apostles healing a person that was possessed. You don't heal people who are possessed, you release them or tell the spirit to go.

And the verse that speaks of demons that leave and return is here.

Luke 11:24
“When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’

What you didn't understand as to why @Genez quoted the verse he did is because in his original post, he spoke of how demons conspire to deceive people by voluntarily leaving their "host" in order to give the appearance that people are healed by the false prophet/teacher. In this way they keep people from the truth, who is Christ.

Firstly the poster never said anything about Jesus or the apostles healing a person that was possessed. You don't heal people who are possessed, you release them or tell the spirit to go.

And the verse that speaks of demons that leave and return is here.

Luke 11:24
“When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’

What you didn't understand as to why @Genez quoted the verse he did is because in his original post, he spoke of how demons conspire to deceive people by voluntarily leaving their "host" in order to give the appearance that people are healed by the false prophet/teacher. In this way they keep people from the truth, who is Christ.

Here is where many people lose track of the SEQUENCE ISSUES in the Olivet Discourse.

The answer is, NO.

What happened in 70ad were the events spelled out in Luke 21:12-24a,b [with 'c' following on from there]. Meaning, WHEN they "SEE" Jerusalem "COMPASSED WITH ARMIES" (nothing about the AOD here!), they were to "FLEE" (the 70ad "SEE then FLEE" thing).



Verse 12 (of Lk21) tells us of the SEQUENCE, by its saying "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE [BEFORE ALL 'the beginning of birth pangs' that vv.8-11 just spoke of]"... ;
Whereas in Matthew 24, "the beginning of birth pangs" PRECEDE the v.15 "AOD" (which is when "GREAT tribulation" [like Dan12:1,6-7, and v.11--halfway through the Trib yrs] commences [not to mention Rev7:9,14's mention of same]);
Don't conflate this with Lk21:23's "great distress in the land, and wrath upon THIS PEOPLE" (the 70ad events; parallel with Matt22:7's "when the king heard thereof he was WROTH: and he sent forth his armies and BURNED UP THEIR CITY").



"The beginning of birth pangs" (which ARE the SEALS of Rev6) take place AFTER the 70ad events, per Lk21:12's SPECIFIC WORDING telling us so! (and I do not say "immediately after"... No.)
Paul uses the same Greek word (in the singular; the INITIAL 'birth-PANG') to explain that THAT is WHEN "the DOTL" will ARRIVE (and he says it will not "be present" without its star player "the man of sin"--his "whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA" 2Th2:9a... corresponding with both Dan11:36 AND Dan9:27a[,26b]--both of which take place BEFORE the MID-trib verses of Dan12:1,6-7 / 9:27b! [which is the commencement of the GREAT tribulation / 2nd HALF of the 7 yrs])



"The beginning of birth-PANGS" (of which the FIRST ONE IS: Matt24:4 / Mk13:5's "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' [a certain one BRINGING DECEPTION; i.e. SEAL #1 / the man of sin / AC / Dan9:27a[,26b 'prince THAT SHALL COME'] / "whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA"2Th2:9a]" is the START of the 7-yr period.
It does not "immediately precede" our Rapture (as you say), but rather, will immediately FOLLOW "our Rapture".







["GREAT" tribulation speaks ONLY of the 2nd HALF of the "7 yr period"; "great DISTRESS" (Lk21) was the 70ad events]

Here is where many people lose track of the SEQUENCE ISSUES in the Olivet Discourse.

The answer is, NO.

What happened in 70ad were the events spelled out in Luke 21:12-24a,b [with 'c' following on from there]. Meaning, WHEN they "SEE" Jerusalem "COMPASSED WITH ARMIES" (nothing about the AOD here!), they were to "FLEE" (the 70ad "SEE then FLEE" thing).



Verse 12 (of Lk21) tells us of the SEQUENCE, by its saying "BUT BEFORE ALL THESE [BEFORE ALL 'the beginning of birth pangs' that vv.8-11 just spoke of]"... ;
Whereas in Matthew 24, "the beginning of birth pangs" PRECEDE the v.15 "AOD" (which is when "GREAT tribulation" [like Dan12:1,6-7, and v.11--halfway through the Trib yrs] commences [not to mention Rev7:9,14's mention of same]);
Don't conflate this with Lk21:23's "great distress in the land, and wrath upon THIS PEOPLE" (the 70ad events; parallel with Matt22:7's "when the king heard thereof he was WROTH: and he sent forth his armies and BURNED UP THEIR CITY").



"The beginning of birth pangs" (which ARE the SEALS of Rev6) take place AFTER the 70ad events, per Lk21:12's SPECIFIC WORDING telling us so! (and I do not say "immediately after"... No.)
Paul uses the same Greek word (in the singular; the INITIAL 'birth-PANG') to explain that THAT is WHEN "the DOTL" will ARRIVE (and he says it will not "be present" without its star player "the man of sin"--his "whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA" 2Th2:9a... corresponding with both Dan11:36 AND Dan9:27a[,26b]--both of which take place BEFORE the MID-trib verses of Dan12:1,6-7 / 9:27b! [which is the commencement of the GREAT tribulation / 2nd HALF of the 7 yrs])



"The beginning of birth-PANGS" (of which the FIRST ONE IS: Matt24:4 / Mk13:5's "G5100 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE' [a certain one BRINGING DECEPTION; i.e. SEAL #1 / the man of sin / AC / Dan9:27a[,26b 'prince THAT SHALL COME'] / "whose COMING / ADVENT / ARRIVAL / PRESENCE / PAROUSIA"2Th2:9a]" is the START of the 7-yr period.
It does not "immediately precede" our Rapture (as you say), but rather, will immediately FOLLOW "our Rapture".







["GREAT" tribulation speaks ONLY of the 2nd HALF of the "7 yr period"; "great DISTRESS" (Lk21) was the 70ad events]