The Error of KJV-Onlyism

I am aware of the King James Bible Research Council.

Phil Stringer is probably my sole favorite on the KJV Research Council.

I did not see all of his videos yet. My favorite videos I seen by him are:

This one…


And this one:

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Nick Sayers has some good videos on false attacks by Textual Critics. He goes into the videos by Mark Ward, and others. They are baseless. Nick Sayers is currently reviewing James White‘s book “King James Only Controversy.” Nick explains in his book how James White miscategorizes KJV-Onlyists. Nick Sayers channel is probably my favorite channel so far on the Bibliology topic (Which defends the TR and KJV).

My view on inspiration is more like “illumination“ according to Job 32:8 in the KJV.
Many Modern Translations remove the word “inspiration” in Job 32:8 and therefore remove the connection to 2 Timothy 3:16.
In short, I believe that the KJV Translators were given select moments of illumination (inspiration) at certain key points in time while translating. God’s providence in his preserving His Word ensured that He would have intervened to give them the understanding (inspiration) for the final words that would end up in the final draft of the KJV. “Double inspiration“ (Peter Ruckman) claims it not only preservation of the original writings but it also communicates new revelation. I don’t exactly agree that this is the case for the 7th purification or final edition of the KJV (Which I believe is the Pure Cambridge KJV edition by A.W. Pollard). I am in disagreement with many of the things Ruckman believes (like his racist claims, his bad mouth, and his odd claims about aliens, and his multiple divorces, etc.).

Nick Sayers live right now.

Is the King James 100% Accurate?

Then you cannot use the same argument against preachers of falsehood who happen to use other translations.

That won’t stop you, because you hold to double standards.

Glad you are familiar with Dr Stringer.

He has been a wealth of insight.

I'll listen to the ones you posted if I haven't already.

I'll probably subscribe to Nick Sayers channel now that I know he has a separate one of his own.

It seems that a very few members of this forum have the mistaken idea that those of us who believe in the true doctrine of preservation are Ruckmanites. They like to throw Bible believers into that box.

I got weird unfounded accusations after I got saved and learned why I should believe the Bible; not knowing where the critics of faith in God's Word were getting those wild false accusations from. Eventually, I learned years later of Peter Ruckman.
Now I see that they took the unbiblical teachings of his to classify the KJ Bible believers as promoters of his heresies.
I have as much time for the false accusers as I do Ruckman. Both camps serve to undermine the faith of the simple.

On the other hand, the King James Research Council does a good job of teaching the truth and equipping the saints.

There is a difference here. The very Modern Bible Movement most today follow began with the Revised Version (Based upon the corrupt Vaticanus and Sinaiticus) which was an English translation created by liberals Westcott and Hort. In fact, Westcott was clearly into praying to dead saints (Which is a theme we see pop-up again every once in a while in the Modern Bible Movement) (Note: We do not see this problem with the TR line or stream of Bibles). In addition, George Vance Smith was a Unitarian who boasted of the doctrinal changes in the Revised Version that favored Unitarianism. He wrote a book on it called “Texts and Margins of the Revised New Testament.” You can just read it for yourself for free online. Today, Unitarians still make pilgrimages to see the Sinaiticus manuscript because they seen it as a win for their Unitarian movement. I also can demonstrate Catholic ideas starting in the Revised Version and these ideas only grow in later Modern Bibles. This is because the Catholic Church started to get involved in the ecumenical Modern Bible Movement. Carlo Maria Martini (a Catholic cardinal) worked on the Nestle and Aland text in the 70s (beginning with the 25th edition I do believe). People who were once praised in Textual Criticism are now unbelievers like Bart Erhman, Rick Beckman, etcetera. This is why college students lose their faith because the school teaches you to doubt the Bible and not trust it. In short, the problem with the Modern Bible Movement is that it has a shape shifter critical apparatus and conflicting Modern English translations, which simply sows confusion. However, God is not the author of confusion. There can only be one Word of God and not many. It is also illogical that God’s Word has been lost for hundreds of years and we are still seeking to find His precise words and scholars are bickering between each other over the differences (Which can change at some new and exciting discovery of a manuscript in some cave somewhere). It’s just dumb and illogical. Everyone can be their own authority. Where is one’s authority? Is it in James White? Or is it in Dan Wallace? They do not agree with each other in every instance in the Bible.

Yeah, I have not seen all KJV videos by Phil. I would like to check them out sometime.



I agree.



I think you will enjoy them.



Nick Sayers has been my go-to listening channel now. He has a ton of good content defending the TR / KJV and great points against the critics. He critiques videos by many in the Modern Bible Movement, and he gives good reasons. There are great nuggets of gold I have gotten from Nick’s videos.

Just make sure you click on the “Live” tab or button to see his best or most important videos on his channel (Seeing Nick does most of his videos as live).



Yeah. It’s a shame.
According to James White’s book (KJV only controversy), even Majority Text folk are KJV-Onlyists.
Not even all TR folks think the KJV is perfect. Yet, James White says they are KJV-only.
Nick Sayers is TR but he also believes the KJV is a perfect and a unique form of the TR.
Nick does not believe the KJV has errors in it. He defends the KJV masterfully.



Yeah. Again, it’s a shame these things happen. Folks simply just need to do their homework.



Yes, they have some great stuff. Nick’s channel is my current favorite at this time. He is less preachy and less focused on making the videos look pretty and he is more focused on the Bibliology or information that you need. Nick started a Byzantine school video series. Currently this is going into the origins of Erasmus and his credentials, and others surrounding him right now (Which the critics want to downplay or ignore). I think in time he may teach some Koine Greek in this series. Not sure yet. But so far it is a good series. What is cool is that there are after shows that you can participate in with live video (after a KJV debate takes place). It’s a separate video that will eventually appear where you can offer you comments on the debate or in defending the KJV in general (By live video chat). I have not participated yet, but I would like to (When time permits - Lord willing).

Note: Sometimes I will do a task at home, and just listen to Nick speak. Great channel. A must watch for every KJV believer.

I hope to see you comment on his channel there in the future.

That's good to hear.
Is the name of his channel Revolution?

There are some people who teach basically that the King James Bible is word-for-word inspired.

Don't bother defending someone else's sin.

Yes.

And there are some people who teach that the earth is FLAT, and that we've never been to the moon.

BUT HEY!!! it's nothing but "Theology", and a good theologian skilled in the are cam make the Bible say all sorts of stupid stuff, and even "Prove it" scripturally. HEY!!! the Rapture has been PROVEN SCRIPTURALLY to occur during the "Feast of Trumpets" in 1988!! I can hardly wait!!!

Bottom line - you can't go too far wrong with the KJV. It's been MY "Main Squeeze" for 60 years. and I've learned a good many of the "Work-arounds" for the places where the translation is inaccurate.

BUT KJVO!!!!??? that's just another CULT theology, as well as a fair percentage of Denominational theology as well.

And there are some people who teach that the earth is FLAT, and that we've never been to the moon.

BUT HEY!!! it's nothing but "Theology", and a good theologian skilled in the are cam make the Bible say all sorts of stupid stuff, and even "Prove it" scripturally. HEY!!! the Rapture has been PROVEN SCRIPTURALLY to occur during the "Feast of Trumpets" in 1988!! I can hardly wait!!!

Bottom line - you can't go too far wrong with the KJV. It's been MY "Main Squeeze" for 60 years. and I've learned a good many of the "Work-arounds" for the places where the translation is inaccurate.

BUT KJVO!!!!??? that's just another CULT theology, as well as a fair percentage of Denominational theology as well.

And there are some people who teach that the earth is FLAT, and that we've never been to the moon.

BUT HEY!!! it's nothing but "Theology", and a good theologian skilled in the are cam make the Bible say all sorts of stupid stuff, and even "Prove it" scripturally. HEY!!! the Rapture has been PROVEN SCRIPTURALLY to occur during the "Feast of Trumpets" in 1988!! I can hardly wait!!!

Bottom line - you can't go too far wrong with the KJV. It's been MY "Main Squeeze" for 60 years. and I've learned a good many of the "Work-arounds" for the places where the translation is inaccurate.

BUT KJVO!!!!??? that's just another CULT theology, as well as a fair percentage of Denominational theology as well.

Sounds like you are far superior than the KJV translators. Could you work your way through the KJV and correct all the mistakes so we all can have a translation we can trust 100%?

A cult has a leader.

King James Bible believers do not have a cult leader. So that is false slander. Besides, you may be shocked to know that statements of faith in that the KJB is the perfect Word of God since the mid to late 1600s.

you don’t have a Bible you can hold in your hands and declare it to be the inerrant and inspired words of God.

A cult has a leader. King James Bible believers do not have a cult leader. So that is false slander. Besides, you may be shocked to know that statements of faith in that the KJB is the perfect Word of God since the mid to late 1600s.

The General Baptists of England published the "Orthodox Creed" In 1678.

True, and it's always the same one - satan.



You're apparently somewhat of a "leader" yourself, since you're selling the "KJVO fantasy line".

AS I stated before, I'm definitely a "KJVP" using the KJV as my preferred translation (Learned to read in it back in "47/"48. I DO NOT, however ascribe to the silly fallacy that the KJV is anything like PERFECT, or without lousy translations of passages, and/or outright ERROR (both real and imagined. YOU can delude yourself into believing that it is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT, if you want (apparently already have).



However I CAN Declare the Bible (in whatever version) as completely ADEQUATE to its purpose as the WRITTEN RECORD of God's word.

Most Modern translations are also completely ADEQUATE to their purpose as the WRITTEN RECORD of God's Word. I wouldn't trust the "Inspired version (Mormon), or the "New World Version (JWs), but the NIV, or OASV, or LIVING all tell the same story, and JESUS promised that TRUTH / FAITH comes from God's WORD TO YOU via the Holy Spirit, and WISDOM is freely given if you ask (as long as you ask single-mindedly) and it'll never disagree with the Bible text. It will often and DOES disgree with "Man's Theology" but that's unimportant unless you take "Man's theology" too seriously. IGNORANCE of the Biblical text renders you FAIR GAME foe deception.

This is not evidence for KJV Onlyism. It may be evidence that the early Baptist movement might have been just a bit wonky.