The Great Blessing Of Election Unto Salvation

Not at all. The theology of scripture does not stand or fall on the carnal logic of fallen mankind. It is derived from the special revelation of God. So we have quickly see where the confusion is found. You make this statement when it has been published for years and years in all the Confessions of faith, who offer Calvinist theology and belief.
Here is the 1689 COF>

Of God’s Decree 1 God hath a decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will,
freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass;
yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; b
nor is violence offered to the will of the creature,
nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away,
but rather c established; in which appears his wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness d in accomplishing his decree. ( a Isa 46:10; Eph 1:11; Heb 6:17; Rom 9:15,18; b Jam 1:13; 1Jo 1:5; c Act 4:27-28; Joh 19:11; d Num 23:19; Eph 1:3-5)

If you are going to oppose this truth, do it accurately.
No Calvinist believes what you say. This is THE Statement.

the context of Roman 8 starts in chapter 6

Let me clarify a bit;
God saves sinners. 1tim1:15
God saves sinners from their sins. Mt.1:21
Saved sinners who are already justified assemble together
These Local assemblies of saved sinners are known to be churches

Let me clarify a bit;
God saves sinners. 1tim1:15
God saves sinners from their sins. Mt.1:21
Saved sinners who are already justified assemble together
These Local assemblies of saved sinners are known to be churches

Which is why I said, this is where calvinist theology leads to... NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU DENY IT.

I have read this particular part of the confession and it has been brought up by calvinists many times. However, the confession in itself makes no sense and is contradictory. You cannot predestine everything wicked to occur, and NOT be the one who takes the blame for it. No way

You are the one in denial, but you are free to deny reality.

There you go again. Im NOT free to deny it according to your theology. I was predestined, oops, ordained, to not see the confession is guilty of double-talk.

Fairly agree (with minor adjustment):


--Romans 1 through 5:11 is about "sinS" (sins we commit... etc; "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" etc);


--Romans 5:12 through chpt-8-end is about "Sin" (or, "the Sin");





--in chapters 9-11, Paul turns a corner (begins covering another subject)

Luke 7:29-30 -

Luk 7:29
And all the people that heard him, and the publicans, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John.

Luk 7:30
But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel [G1012 - boulēn / boulē (<--same word in Eph1:11--a verse often used by Calvinists)] of God against themselves, being not baptized of him[/JtB].

Hello Evmur,
We are never called to pronounce eternal judgment as Jesus does that.

We are called to make many righteous judgments, daily. jn7
24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

Judge not according to appearance but judge righteous judgement.

The appearance is that the world has always been made up of vast BILLIONS of goats who the Lord will set on His left hand and just a few straggly sheep who He will set upon His right hand ... do you make this judgement?

I tell you it is not right judgement.

Well, I have not posted anything like that. Where are you getting such an idea?
God has Covenanted to save a great multitude of sinners. More than the sand of the sea, or the stars in the heavens.
Election secures that great number. Do you agree?

Which is why I said, this is where calvinist theology leads to... NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU DENY IT.

I have read this particular part of the confession and it has been brought up by calvinists many times. However, the confession in itself makes no sense and is contradictory. You cannot predestine everything wicked to occur, and NOT be the one who takes the blame for it. No way

I think election is unto the church. Others can be saved. in other words I believe in a wider mercy.

God's design is perfect. He intends to save all He can justly and wisely save. He has not overlooked anyone.
It was never God's plan to save each and every person who was ever born.
We can be very thankful God is loving and Kind.
God does not have to do what we think He could, or should do.
His plan is perfect and exact.

That does not mean it was not his will that everyone would be saved.

Probably the most “elect” persons in Jesus’ time were the Pharisees.

God created Adam separate and placed him into the garden, formed eve out of his own flesh and bone.
After the corruption of the seed of man, Noah was preserved continuing the line of Adam
Abram was called out of his country and although he had 7 sons, only jacob was elected but God promised to make out of him a mighty nation and a company of nations.
God kept his promise to abraham and made out of jacob the nations to which accepted the gospel and have been the blessed of the earth for the last 2000 years
God has been preserving what satan has been corrupting and now we see the camp of the saints being surrounded by the whole of the third world who hate them and their God, to destroy those who have forgotten their God

this is paraphrased cuz its getting late but i’m willing to discuss
praise the God of Israel