The Great Blessing Of Election Unto Salvation
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lol. I have been there. it happened again, I am not sure how you are quoting to help
Yet as paul said, they have no excuse. because what has been known about God is evident to them, even his eternal power and godhead. The wrath of God is revealed to them.. so they have no excuse.
No one will have an excuse on judgment day they did not know they were guilty of sin. (romans 1)
they then have the HS, who convicts the world of sin righteousness and judgment. I remember growing up and hearing the testimony of missionaries say they would end up in an area where the gospel never was given, and the people welcomed them, and God told them they would be sent..
I believe God knows a persons heart. If they will respond. God will get them the gospel. If they will not,. He will nto put his people in danger. they still have no excuse.
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Yet as paul said, they have no excuse. because what has been known about God is evident to them, even his eternal power and godhead. The wrath of God is revealed to them.. so they have no excuse.
No one will have an excuse on judgment day they did not know they were guilty of sin. (romans 1)
they then have the HS, who convicts the world of sin righteousness and judgment. I remember growing up and hearing the testimony of missionaries say they would end up in an area where the gospel never was given, and the people welcomed them, and God told them they would be sent..
I believe God knows a persons heart. If they will respond. God will get them the gospel. If they will not,. He will nto put his people in danger. they still have no excuse.
agree
This is election unto the church, to the body of Christ, the people of God in this world.
We are chosen to be the instrument [through Christ] of blessing to the families of the earth. A city set upon a hill ... to exclude everybody? no, never. we are set to be a beacon of hope, a place of succour, a safe harbour for the hungry, the weary, the lost and forsaken of this world.
THAT is what we are elected unto.
It doesn't exclude any from being saved.
We are chosen to be the instrument [through Christ] of blessing to the families of the earth. A city set upon a hill ... to exclude everybody? no, never. we are set to be a beacon of hope, a place of succour, a safe harbour for the hungry, the weary, the lost and forsaken of this world.
THAT is what we are elected unto.
It doesn't exclude any from being saved.
Not at all. The theology of scripture does not stand or fall on the carnal logic of fallen mankind. It is derived from the special revelation of God. So we have quickly see where the confusion is found. You make this statement when it has been published for years and years in all the Confessions of faith, who offer Calvinist theology and belief.
Here is the 1689 COF>
Of God’s Decree 1 God hath a decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will,
freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass;
yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; b
nor is violence offered to the will of the creature,
nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away,
but rather c established; in which appears his wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness d in accomplishing his decree. ( a Isa 46:10; Eph 1:11; Heb 6:17; Rom 9:15,18; b Jam 1:13; 1Jo 1:5; c Act 4:27-28; Joh 19:11; d Num 23:19; Eph 1:3-5)
If you are going to oppose this truth, do it accurately.
No Calvinist believes what you say. This is THE Statement.
Here is the 1689 COF>
Of God’s Decree 1 God hath a decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will,
freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass;
yet so as thereby is God neither the author of sin nor hath fellowship with any therein; b
nor is violence offered to the will of the creature,
nor yet is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away,
but rather c established; in which appears his wisdom in disposing all things, and power and faithfulness d in accomplishing his decree. ( a Isa 46:10; Eph 1:11; Heb 6:17; Rom 9:15,18; b Jam 1:13; 1Jo 1:5; c Act 4:27-28; Joh 19:11; d Num 23:19; Eph 1:3-5)
If you are going to oppose this truth, do it accurately.
No Calvinist believes what you say. This is THE Statement.
Right. The same word for "seek" used in Jeremiah 29:13 ^ is also used in the Hosea 5:14-6:3 passage (below):
Hos 5:14
For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.
Hos 5:15
I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek [H1245; same word in Jer29:13] my face: in their affliction they will seek me early [H7836; or, seek me earnestly].
Hos 6:1
Come, and let us [Israel] return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us [Israel] ; he hath smitten, and he will bind us [Israel] up.
Hos 6:2
After two days will he revive us [Israel]: in the third day he will raise us [Israel] up, and we [Israel] shall live in his sight.
[that is, "after two days" and "in the third day" from the perspective in time of His ascension (32ad)--so, it is nearly that time now, as these are not "24-hr days" being spoken of, here]
Hos 6:3
Then shall we [Israel] know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us [Israel] as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth [or, as the spring rain unto the earth].
[and this whole passage ^ (esp. vv.15 ["TILL"], 6:1-2) corresponds with what is said in Romans 11:25[,15] about them, "blindness [/a hardening] in part is happened to Israel UNTIL..."; and in Rom11:27-28, "As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes."]
Hos 5:14
For I will be unto Ephraim as a lion, and as a young lion to the house of Judah: I, even I, will tear and go away; I will take away, and none shall rescue him.
Hos 5:15
I will go and return to my place, till they acknowledge their offence, and seek [H1245; same word in Jer29:13] my face: in their affliction they will seek me early [H7836; or, seek me earnestly].
Hos 6:1
Come, and let us [Israel] return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us [Israel] ; he hath smitten, and he will bind us [Israel] up.
Hos 6:2
After two days will he revive us [Israel]: in the third day he will raise us [Israel] up, and we [Israel] shall live in his sight.
[that is, "after two days" and "in the third day" from the perspective in time of His ascension (32ad)--so, it is nearly that time now, as these are not "24-hr days" being spoken of, here]
Hos 6:3
Then shall we [Israel] know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us [Israel] as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth [or, as the spring rain unto the earth].
[and this whole passage ^ (esp. vv.15 ["TILL"], 6:1-2) corresponds with what is said in Romans 11:25[,15] about them, "blindness [/a hardening] in part is happened to Israel UNTIL..."; and in Rom11:27-28, "As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes."]
To those Doctrines always pushing this idea about God's sovereignty: [Especially that He made me saved without me yielding to Him]
THE SOVEREIGNTY of GOD
The word “sovereign” """is not used""" in any Version of the Bible
It means YOU and OTHERS who make up Doctrines use a WORD not literally found in the BIBLE.
The Ancient Hebrews used a form of the word but not the same meaning as the Reformed use it and 303 times it is known as the LORD GOD.
So stop using a word that God Himself NEVER USED!!
THE SOVEREIGNTY of GOD
The word “sovereign” """is not used""" in any Version of the Bible
It means YOU and OTHERS who make up Doctrines use a WORD not literally found in the BIBLE.
The Ancient Hebrews used a form of the word but not the same meaning as the Reformed use it and 303 times it is known as the LORD GOD.
So stop using a word that God Himself NEVER USED!!
“…Men have decided to sin…”
Before salvation, this is wrong. After salvation, this is sort of right.
Paul says in Romans 7:17, “But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me” (NKJV). (Sin lives in us)
Before salvation we are slaves to sin. After salvation we still sin, but we are no longer slaves to it; God pulls us away from it. If we sin, we are given forgiveness.
Before salvation, this is wrong. After salvation, this is sort of right.
Paul says in Romans 7:17, “But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me” (NKJV). (Sin lives in us)
Before salvation we are slaves to sin. After salvation we still sin, but we are no longer slaves to it; God pulls us away from it. If we sin, we are given forgiveness.