Mike Winger's "Why I think Calvinism is Unbiblical"

Calvinism is unbiblical.

But he did not create some to be saved and some to be wicked. If He did the wicked are off the hook. God can't send them to hell if He created them to be what they are, wicked. He can't blame them for what they are.





Yes, the wicked will be destroyed because they chose not to follow God. Not because God created them to be destroyed.

the Scripture quoted specifically says that they are in bondage, so therefore they may only seem blessed from the perspective of man but according to God, only those who are in Christ are freed from that bondage and belong to the Jerusalem from above which is alone blessed by grace.

round and round you go in this endless cycle of worn out arguments ... their bondage was/is temporary. You can't prove the validity of your election apart from the Jews.

first to be elect was Abraham ... others were saved through their connection with Abraham.

Yes, yes tired arguments. Hitler knew who were Jews. Only a FOOL would have claimed to be Jewish in Europe during the 30s and 40s if he were not in fact a Jew. Nor have they changed during 2, 000 years, their appearance and mannerisms have been captured in art down through the centuries.

Fore knowledge is not fore determination. Knowing man would sin God fore planned salvation.

You take no notice of Federal Headship. A critical factor in man's fall and in his salvation ... also in who should be chosen [after the fall] to betray Him along with the leaders of all villainy.

you do despite to your own Strict and Particular doctrines for when Paul wrote to the Galatians he told them they were in bondage once more. Were they therefore lost? I see many in the church in the same bondage that the Galatians were in, they's still saved. But they enjoy not the benefits of their election.

ELECTION is everything in the bible.

Election is the lost key to real spiritual revival, have you seen the children in the school yard when the Teacher has come to choose who is to participate in some activity? how they all rush and swarm "ME" they cry their hands raised "pick ME"

But the church has turned aside from election to the doctrine of men's choosings, salvation by human decision ... and nobody wants it.

Rom 9:21 Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?
Rom 9:22 What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,

It is because God fore determines all things that He fore knows all things.

Pro_16:33 The lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the LORD.

God chose His people not after the Fall but before it and the foundation of the world.

Eph 1:4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

All are spiritually dead in Adam, slaves to sin and Satan, his children and bearing his evil image which is why Christ said that men must be born again!

no one is saved by any connection to Abraham but by the grace of God which grants faith as He did to Abraham and it is only these who are the true seed of Abraham and not those who claim to be of his flesh but die in their sin.


Rom 9:6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel,
Rom 9:7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "IN ISAAC YOUR SEED SHALL BE CALLED."
Rom 9:8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God; but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.

As long as you continue to deny the New Covenant promise given to Abraham and fulfilled in Christ to His people throughout the whole world you will remain judicially blinded from seeing the plain truth of Holy Scripture.

Gal 3:7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."
Gal 3:9 So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "AND TO YOUR SEED," who is Christ.

Gal 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

God only has one wife!

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you fail to realise that the bondage of those without Christ is eternal and not temporary.

Romans 11, is to the Jews not the church. The church does not replace the Jews.

But the land promise has yet to be fulfilled, that was part of what God promised.

God indeed has not rejected His people from the Old Covenant and has chosen a very small remnant from among them just as He has also done among the Gentiles whom He foreknew.

Rom 11:4 But what does the divine response say to him? "I HAVE RESERVED FOR MYSELF SEVEN THOUSAND MEN WHO HAVE NOT BOWED THE KNEE TO BAAL."
Rom 11:5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace.


These are those to whom the promise was given to Abraham.

Gal 3:7 Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed."

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "AND TO YOUR SEED," who is Christ.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Gal 4:9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage?

I hope your not talking about a future physical land?

You should be preoccupied with heavenly real estate.

Are you a Zionist?

I am a Zionist the same way God is a Zionist. I believe that God made an everlasting, unconditional covenant with Abraham.

“He remembers His covenant forever, the word which He commanded, for a thousand generations, the covenant which He made with Abraham, and His oath to Isaac, and confirmed it to Jacob for a statute, to Israel as an everlasting covenant.”

... as long as the sun gives light by day, and the moon and the stars shine at night, the seed of Israel (Jacob, Isaac, Abraham) shall be a nation before God forever, if the heavens can be measured, or the foundations of the earth searched then God will cast off all the seed of Israel for what they have done.

Gen. And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you.

Genesis 15:18 On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, “To your offspring I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates

Jeremiah 31:31-34“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord. For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Ezekiel 11:17-20 Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: I will gather you from the peoples and assemble you out of the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.’ And when they come there, they will remove from it all its detestable things and all its abominations. And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh, that they may walk in my statutes and keep my rules and obey them. And they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

So hearing the Gospel is what opens the ears.

Actually, this is the Purpose and Work of Christ . . . which produces His Holy Effect of Eternal Life; Christ's Spiritual Work that transfers a person from Spiritual death to Spiritual Life.

John 9:39-41 NLT - "Then Jesus told him, "I entered this world to render judgment--to give sight to the blind and to show those who think they see that they are blind." Some Pharisees who were standing nearby heard him and asked, "Are you saying we're blind?" "If you were blind, you wouldn't be guilty," Jesus replied. "But you remain guilty because you claim you can see."

Colossians 2:11, 13 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature." ... "You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins."

It is vital that no one strip Christ of His Purpose, Work, and Effect.