Mike Winger's "Why I think Calvinism is Unbiblical"

those who do not endure to the end will prove that they were never truly Christians in the first place.

True Christians do not trust in themselves, their works or their circumstances but in the grace of God who is sovereign over all circumstances.

I was going to go through the entire list of this attachment but in the very first verse it literally begins with:

John 1:12
12 But to all who did receive him


Our participation right off the back.
Why read the rest of that list if the ignorance is so blatant from the word go?

Even the Greek word used "ἔλαβον" shows action "to receive" Him...

unless God grants you the grace to see all things through the lens of fulfilment in Christ you will remain in the shadows and types of the old hidden behind the veil in Moses.

2Co 3:13 unlike Moses, who put a veil over his face so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the end of what was passing away.
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded. For until this day the same veil remains unlifted in the reading of the Old Testament, because the veil is taken away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even to this day, when Moses is read, a veil lies on their heart.
2Co 3:16 Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.

2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Do you not know yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you are disqualified.

how can you be so blind not to see that the sheep on His right hand are labelled as being the righteous and have eternal life?

Mat 25:37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink?

Mat 25:46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Anyone who believes in predestination and God made them saved would definitely be on the "left side" because you won't ever see the Reformed doing...43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.
They believe God does everything and doing works is against their doctrine.

man's will is indeed free to do what he wants according to his nature and after the Fall it is completely enslaved by sin and is only truly made free in Christ (John 8:36).

Those who are in Christ are dead to their will and alive to His will in all circumstances knowing His promise that all things work together for good to them (Rom 8:28) no matter how bad things may look from their perspective because He has granted them to know that He is in control of all that comes to pass.

Pro_16:9 A man's heart plans his way, But the LORD directs his steps.

the old saying proves true that the devil doesn't kick a dead dog.

Peter had to learn that the hard way and therein is a lesson for all who follow Christ.

Luk 22:31 And the Lord said, "Simon, Simon! Indeed, Satan has asked for you, that he may sift you as wheat.
Luk 22:32 But I have prayed for you, that your faith should not fail; and when you have returned to Me, strengthen your brethren."

like yourself I also used to believe that the nation of Israel was central to understanding eschatology but by grace alone have been brought to see instead that it is Christ.

I can not stress how important eschatology is for it moulds a persons worldview and this is very prevalent with the current geopolitical situation which is because of your faulty view that the Israel of today which has no temple or sacrifices is the same as the Israel of old which was utterly destroyed as they stumbled upon the Rock as prophesied.

1Pe 2:4 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious,
1Pe 2:5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture, "BEHOLD, I LAY IN ZION A CHIEF CORNERSTONE, ELECT, PRECIOUS, AND HE WHO BELIEVES ON HIM WILL BY NO MEANS BE PUT TO SHAME."
1Pe 2:7 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, "THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED HAS BECOME THE CHIEF CORNERSTONE,"
1Pe 2:8 and "A STONE OF STUMBLING AND A ROCK OF OFFENSE." They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.
1Pe 2:9 But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;
1Pe 2:10 who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

The only true High Priest is Christ and His people are His temple and His priests!

if man is not spiritually dead as God had warned he would be in Genesis 2:17, then man is not totally depraved and Calvinism is false but if it is true according to Scripture that all men are born completely enslaved to sin and Satan, then it must be a complete work of the Godhead to save His people and this is revealed to them in the Trinity.

Therefore to deny the truths revealed in the Doctrines of Grace which so many nickname after a man who championed these biblical truths is to deny the Trinity and that salvation belongs to the LORD.

I like your eschatology so much better!
But this quote from A. W. Pink is much better that the last one.

ultimately it doesn't matter whether you like what someone says, what really matters is whether what they say is the truth whether you like it or not.

Permit be to be blunt then, TULIP is not truth.

But God did most certainly predestine some to salvation. Come on, folk; it’s written. What does it say in Romans 8:29 again?
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

- Romans 8:28-30 (KJV)

Matthew 25:43 is certainly not talking about true Christians/Elect.

—Selah

Those in verse 29 are the ancient Jews under the Law predestined to become heirs under Grace.
They were already living for God under the Law and Jesus completed them through His works upon the Cross.


From Theologians. Theologians are Bible Professors in Bible Colleges.


(Rom 8:29-30) Notice the conjunction, “for”’; it ties what is about to be said with what has just been said. We know what God has done for the Old Testament saints, those that He “already knew, He predestined, (aorist indicative, completed action) to be conformed to the image or likeness of His Son. They died long before Jesus was even born but they are still a part of the promises of God! God planned from the beginning to bring their salvation to completion in Christ Jesus. Moreover, those He predestined (aorist indicative, completed action) He justified (aorist indicative, completed action) and those He justified He glorified (aorist indicative, completed action). If Paul had any intended notion that he was speaking to the Roman Christians he would have used the same tense he used previously in verse 16, that being the aorist passive subjective. He did not do so because he was speaking here of the Old Testament saints who had already died but God had provided hope for.


Theologians claim Paul in Romans 8:29-30 are speaking about the Old Testament Saints who God FOREKNEW and PREDESTINED to be conformed to be like Christ.

Dear sir I don't disagree with any of these truths.

These things are true of the present situation.

I love the bible, I am sure you do too, in it everything you could ever wish to know about Israel is written, their history, not like British or American history which only records the great triumphs and success, feats of valour etc. The bible records the downside of Jewish history as well, their failures, and everything is prophesied well in advance. No Jew ever needed to be surprised at their defeat by the King of Babylon and their removal hence. And yet they were surprised.

They were surprised because they reading the wrong prophecies relating to a different time in their history, they were trusting in the wrong promises. Many Christians today are doing the same thing, believing the word of God that do not relate to them but which relate to a different time and a different epoch.

So far as prophecy goes and eschatology people take all the prophecies relating to Israel and mix them up into a massive stew as though all prophecies either relate to the past or to the future.

You say their stumble was a thing appointed unto them ... why are you surprised then that they did stumble? what have they done that they were not appointed or ELECT to do? YOU could not have been saved if they had not stumbled. Their greatest sin has turned out to be God's greatest triumph.

This is the summing up of Paul's lengthy teaching on the Jews in Romans.

Have they then stumbled so as to fall? God forbid! but through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles so as to make Israel jealous ..... [Paul recognises that there is still an Israel who God is dealing with]
Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles how much more will their FULL INCLUSION mean? Romans 11.

Their rejection has meant reconciliation for the world but their acceptance mean but life from the dead? People talking so much about the Rapture or the first resurrection life from the dead. Y'all hear me now, there will be no rapture until the Jews are ready to be brought in.

The coming of the Lord is for to reign and He will reign through Israel. He was crucified as King of the Jews and so He still is.

When people read prophecy related to Israel they must read those prophecies which relate to and generally start "it will come to pass in the latter days," all the other prophecies have come to pass, it is now history. How God smote the Shepherd and scattered the sheep. Jesus said that happened when He was arrested.

Now the prophecies relating to God's gathering of His sheep are the prophecies relating to Israel today ... and we see it with our own eyes.

Their time is coming and our time of redemption is coming. Glory for the Jews and greater glory for the Church. But you can't leave the Jews out of the equation. It is like taking a huge slice out of a cake.

Firstly they are not the church they are the nations, "The King will come and set all the nations before Him" The church is not the nations.

We do not know what their reward is, Is eternal life granted for good deeds?

"Lord when did we see You hungry and feed You" shows that did not know the truth concerning "Christ IN YOU the hope of glory"

It doesn't make sense

Jesus said they had done it to "these My brethren" how then can they also be "these My brethren?" why then didn't He say to the goats "ye did it not to one of the least of these sheep"?

"these My brethren" are the church.

So what about their reward? You know their is to be a NEW earth and a new heaven. Who then are to populate the earth?

Even though heaven and earth are to be united in that day yet still there is earth as distinct from heaven. "blessed be the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven ... blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth"

God foreknew ... God did not prophesy to Adam that he would sin, He warned him of the consequences and strictly forbade him.

One way of putting it would be to say that Adam rebelled against God's predestinated plan.

God knowing is not God choosing, there's a difference.

Because their inheritance was given them in recognition of their good deeds. This is why the argument still rages in the church between those that salvation is purely by grace a free gift and those who say nay but we must earn it.

Do you know what I really believe? I believe we are saved by grace as a free gift because we are the very dregs, the worst sinners, the no hopers..

Now folks say "ah God is holy, God cannot look upon sin" Actually the sad truth is God looks upon sin all day and all night.

What about good deeds? can God be just and overlook good deeds?