There are many false Christ's today such as the Christ of the JW's , Mormons, Muslims Arminians etc. and even the Christ the demons believe in and tremble but unless you proclaim that Christ is truly God and truly Man by preaching who God truly is and who fallen man truly is as found in Scripture then you do not yet understand the Gospel of the the LORD (Sovereign Ruler) JESUS (God Who Saves) CHRIST (Anointed Prophet, Priest and King of His People) who is the Word of God become flesh to secure salvation for His sheep by His perfect life, death and resurrection.
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verse 17 mentions Pharaoh who was described as hardening his own heart as well as God hardening his heart by justly handing him over to the evil that he loved unto his greater condemnation and for God's greater glory in revealing His just wrath (Rom 1:18).
You might want to read Romans Chapter 1 which plainly declares three times that God hands people over to their sin unto their just judgement but it seems like you can not fit such a perfectly good, holy and just God into the delusion so prevalent today that God loves absolutely everyone and seeks all to be saved even those He has decreed shall not be saved.
You might want to read Romans Chapter 1 which plainly declares three times that God hands people over to their sin unto their just judgement but it seems like you can not fit such a perfectly good, holy and just God into the delusion so prevalent today that God loves absolutely everyone and seeks all to be saved even those He has decreed shall not be saved.
All here are witnesses that you have not proven any deception upon my part according to Scripture. If I did not care for such even as you, I would not bother wasting my time here and simply leave you to your own false doctrine but I am compelled by love to proclaim the whole counsel of God to you and all here even if it means being constantly derided with false accusations and slander.
Mat 5:11 "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Mat 5:11 "Blessed are you when they revile and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely for My sake.
Mat 5:12 Rejoice and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Here is what YOU do not understand ... God's anger at mankind for sin has been expended, fully expended at the cross, God has suspended the time for the final judgement of sin, He has appointed a day.
We are living in the epoch of God's grace.
John [my Strict and Particular friend] taught that Christ is the Lamb of God who taketh away the sin of the world. He was slain for our sin and not for our sins only but the sins of the whole world.
God could not have poured out His Spirit upon all flesh if this were not so, He would have to slay man wholesale as soon as sin entered His presence.
We are not sent to announce damnation to any, we are sent to announce the good news. We don't have any bad news. What will become of folks who hearing of God's grace reject it is between themselves and God. We faithfully warn them of the judgement to come and the eternal punishment of the wicked.
But our only commission is to announce the good news.
We are living in the epoch of God's grace.
John [my Strict and Particular friend] taught that Christ is the Lamb of God who taketh away the sin of the world. He was slain for our sin and not for our sins only but the sins of the whole world.
God could not have poured out His Spirit upon all flesh if this were not so, He would have to slay man wholesale as soon as sin entered His presence.
We are not sent to announce damnation to any, we are sent to announce the good news. We don't have any bad news. What will become of folks who hearing of God's grace reject it is between themselves and God. We faithfully warn them of the judgement to come and the eternal punishment of the wicked.
But our only commission is to announce the good news.
There are the bookends. The middle says the same.
Gen 2:16
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Rev 21:6
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Gen 2:16
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Rev 21:6
And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
Here you go @maxamir .......exegete away. If indeed you are able.
2Ki 6:5
But as one was felling a beam, the axe head fell into the water: and he cried, and said, Alas, master! for it was borrowed.
2Ki 6:6
And the man of God said, Where fell it? And he shewed him the place. And he cut down a stick [BRANCH], and cast it in thither; and the iron did swim.
2Ki 6:7
Therefore said he, Take it up to thee. And he put out his hand, and took it.
2Ki 6:5
But as one was felling a beam, the axe head fell into the water: and he cried, and said, Alas, master! for it was borrowed.
2Ki 6:6
And the man of God said, Where fell it? And he shewed him the place. And he cut down a stick [BRANCH], and cast it in thither; and the iron did swim.
2Ki 6:7
Therefore said he, Take it up to thee. And he put out his hand, and took it.
I read chapter one as you suggested but Paul commences his narration in chapter two, verse seventeen.
Chapter one is the standard declaration of the sinful state of mankind.
Chapter two is the start of Paul's rebuke and education of the Jews in Rome.
From Romans 2:17 through to Romans 11:36, only then will you have the correct context.
When you understand what Paul is actually talking about in Romans. Then you can stop quoting
those verses out of the given context.
Chapter one is the standard declaration of the sinful state of mankind.
Chapter two is the start of Paul's rebuke and education of the Jews in Rome.
From Romans 2:17 through to Romans 11:36, only then will you have the correct context.
When you understand what Paul is actually talking about in Romans. Then you can stop quoting
those verses out of the given context.
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Okay so I guess He was lying I guess, or at least wrong? The way you asked this is very strange to me, you take Jesus words then frame them in a way that also fits history as well, then say "No, of course not". So that has to mean that you think Jesus was wrong here, doesn't it? Why do you feel so sure the tribulation didn't take place already?
I am also not sure how we "clearly see this was not speaking about those days". I know you've been taught this is clearly in there, but please without charts, graphs, and a load of commentary, please show me where Jesus makes this so clear in scripture, because I see Him clearly telling them that ALL these things will come to pass BEFORE the end of THAT generation. And it happen. I do not see why this isn't clear to you as well. I am curious and I want the truth not to "win an argument", I don't care about that. So please show me where Jesus (or scripture in general) makes it so clear He was not speaking about those days.....to those people......at that time.
I am also not sure how we "clearly see this was not speaking about those days". I know you've been taught this is clearly in there, but please without charts, graphs, and a load of commentary, please show me where Jesus makes this so clear in scripture, because I see Him clearly telling them that ALL these things will come to pass BEFORE the end of THAT generation. And it happen. I do not see why this isn't clear to you as well. I am curious and I want the truth not to "win an argument", I don't care about that. So please show me where Jesus (or scripture in general) makes it so clear He was not speaking about those days.....to those people......at that time.
It's not so much deception that you are guilty of, rather, it is ignoring the context.
The context matters and your not the only one who does that.
We were never told to proclaim the whole counsel of God.
We were told to proclaim the Christ, that is the gospel. Jesus Christ crucified,
buried, and risen on the third day. The reconciliation performed by Jesus Christ for us.
You have an obsession with the full counsel of God?
Please note, the full counsel of God cannot save anyone.
Here is the gospel again.
Romans 10:9-13
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart
that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person
believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting
in salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be put to shame.”
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all,
abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Everyone who calls on the name of
the Lord will be saved.”
The context matters and your not the only one who does that.
We were never told to proclaim the whole counsel of God.
We were told to proclaim the Christ, that is the gospel. Jesus Christ crucified,
buried, and risen on the third day. The reconciliation performed by Jesus Christ for us.
You have an obsession with the full counsel of God?
Please note, the full counsel of God cannot save anyone.
Here is the gospel again.
Romans 10:9-13
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart
that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; for with the heart a person
believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting
in salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in Him will not be put to shame.”
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all,
abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for “Everyone who calls on the name of
the Lord will be saved.”
The hail. Definitely the hail.
Rev 8:7
The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
Rev 16:21
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
Rev 8:7
The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.
Rev 16:21
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
I get what you're going at here, but this proves nothing. How to you know hail that size didn't fall then. None of us were there to say. So while I'm not trying to act like your argument here is completely ridiculous or anything of the sort. I can honestly understand why you'd think this way, but it is in reality nothing more than opinion. We do not know that hail that size didn't fall then, it's impossible and NO grounds at all to contradict Jesus very words. In my opinion anyway.