Mike Winger's "Why I think Calvinism is Unbiblical"
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All done. max. Your entire form of argumentation is textbook fallacy. Maybe someday you'll wake up to seeing that TULIP is rightly questioned by many. If and when you care to actually discuss Scripture and not a systematic theology, He seems to always have others available to work through things, at least for now. Right now you reveal no such interest, which may also be revealing no such ability.
Again, this is how it goes with Christians who are taught a systematic theology, but not taught to read and analyze Scripture. The Word and the Spirit is our ultimate Teacher and Lord. His name is not John Calvin, nor Jacobus Arminius, or the Early Church Fathers or any other theologian or pastor. It's pretty much a minefield in our day and infant Christians crawl into one of tens of thousand of denominations and unknowingly begin getting indoctrinated into a system of interpretation.
FWIW, our ultimate Teacher and Lord is Jesus Christ (John13:13) and we have His Spirit in us leading us, guiding us, teaching us, testing us, training us, disciplining us, raising us to maturity and beyond. In my experience sitting under pastors and teachers, I would periodically get checks in my spirit about things that didn't make sense. Over the decades of studies I found clearly that many of those checks proved to be about teachings I later saw to be erroneous.
10 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so. (Acts 17:10-11 NKJ)
Again, this is how it goes with Christians who are taught a systematic theology, but not taught to read and analyze Scripture. The Word and the Spirit is our ultimate Teacher and Lord. His name is not John Calvin, nor Jacobus Arminius, or the Early Church Fathers or any other theologian or pastor. It's pretty much a minefield in our day and infant Christians crawl into one of tens of thousand of denominations and unknowingly begin getting indoctrinated into a system of interpretation.
FWIW, our ultimate Teacher and Lord is Jesus Christ (John13:13) and we have His Spirit in us leading us, guiding us, teaching us, testing us, training us, disciplining us, raising us to maturity and beyond. In my experience sitting under pastors and teachers, I would periodically get checks in my spirit about things that didn't make sense. Over the decades of studies I found clearly that many of those checks proved to be about teachings I later saw to be erroneous.
10 Then the brethren immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea. When they arrived, they went into the synagogue of the Jews. 11 These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so. (Acts 17:10-11 NKJ)
This speaks of the Hebrew Scriptures, but the principle and practice holds true for us with the New Covenant Writings. And today we have His Spirit in us who will guide us into all Truth. But it doesn't happen over night. So, we search the Scriptures daily to verify teachings we hear or read. That makes our Text and His Spirit the standard - the authority.
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Somebody is horribly mistaken, that's for sure. And it ain't me.
Hos 5:15
I will return again to My place
Till they acknowledge their offense.
***Then*** they will seek My face;
In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.”
Israel MUST ASK (***of their own free will***) CHRIST TO RETURN ("speak to the Rock") before He comes......the Second Coming.
And when they do.....BOOM! They enter into the New Covenant, and THEREBY finally fulfill completely the covenant made to Abraham.
Then we of the already redeemed will say:
"We bid you welcome, Oh Israel, into the New Covenant of faith in your Messiah, Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."
And then the WEDDING SUPPER commences in the blessed Millennial reign of the King.
Hos 5:15
I will return again to My place
Till they acknowledge their offense.
***Then*** they will seek My face;
In their affliction they will earnestly seek Me.”
Israel MUST ASK (***of their own free will***) CHRIST TO RETURN ("speak to the Rock") before He comes......the Second Coming.
And when they do.....BOOM! They enter into the New Covenant, and THEREBY finally fulfill completely the covenant made to Abraham.
Then we of the already redeemed will say:
"We bid you welcome, Oh Israel, into the New Covenant of faith in your Messiah, Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."
And then the WEDDING SUPPER commences in the blessed Millennial reign of the King.
But we know Joel is speaking about the Second Coming of Jesus because Joel describes what Jesus describes that happend "Immediately AFTER the Tribulation."
So the question is did Jesus Return after 70 A.D.? [did Jesus ascend 30 A.D. and return 70 A.D.]? (40 years 1 generation)?
NO!
So we clearly see this was not speaking about those days.
So the question is did Jesus Return after 70 A.D.? [did Jesus ascend 30 A.D. and return 70 A.D.]? (40 years 1 generation)?
NO!
So we clearly see this was not speaking about those days.
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I have consistently used Holy Scripture to tell you that God only has ONE wife which is the Church and you have not been able to use Scripture to prove me wrong, therefore I will take Scripture of your words any day.
Gal_4:16 Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?
Gal_4:16 Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?
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Paul was writing to Christians who knew who Christ was but the world does not know the Lord Jesus Christ of Holy Scripture unless He is revealed to them by the Holy Spirit through the ministry of the Gospel which proclaims who God truly is so that men would see who they truly are before Him and in turn are brought to see their desperate need of grace found only in Christ who came to secure salvation for His people.
Any Christ that is proclaimed as coming simply to make salvation possible for those who somehow have the ability within themselves to choose Him is a false Christ and not the Lord Jesus Christ of Holy Scripture who warned of such false Christs appearing.
Below is a short pamphlet I recently linked to called The Christ of Arminianism (Freewillism) warning of this false Christ. I highly recommend you and all here read it.
The Christ of Arminianism (Freewillism) by Rev. Steven Houck
Any Christ that is proclaimed as coming simply to make salvation possible for those who somehow have the ability within themselves to choose Him is a false Christ and not the Lord Jesus Christ of Holy Scripture who warned of such false Christs appearing.
Below is a short pamphlet I recently linked to called The Christ of Arminianism (Freewillism) warning of this false Christ. I highly recommend you and all here read it.
The Christ of Arminianism (Freewillism) by Rev. Steven Houck
1Co_1:27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty;
1Co_3:18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you seems to be wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.
1Co_4:10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are distinguished, but we are dishonored!
1Co_3:18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone among you seems to be wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise.
1Co_4:10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are wise in Christ! We are weak, but you are strong! You are distinguished, but we are dishonored!
how much more gracious can a person be than by sharing the glorious unvarnished truth of the Gospel to all?
If you do not yet know God's holy hatred of sin as seen most clearly at the cross of Christ then you do not yet know the God of Holy Scripture who was pleased to kill His own Son to secure salvation for His people.
Isa 53:4 Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.
Even Christ who satisfied that which an eternity in Hell could never do, looked with joy beyond His just suffering and death on behalf of His sheep.
Heb 12:2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
If you do not yet know God's holy hatred of sin as seen most clearly at the cross of Christ then you do not yet know the God of Holy Scripture who was pleased to kill His own Son to secure salvation for His people.
Isa 53:4 Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted.
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.
Even Christ who satisfied that which an eternity in Hell could never do, looked with joy beyond His just suffering and death on behalf of His sheep.
Heb 12:2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Joh 10:15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
Jud 1:4 For certain men have crept in unnoticed, who long ago were marked out for this condemnation, ungodly men, who turn the grace of our God into lewdness and deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I HAVE RAISED YOU UP, THAT I MAY SHOW MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MAY BE DECLARED IN ALL THE EARTH."
Rom 9:18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
Pro 16:4 The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.
Psa 92:7 When the wicked spring up like grass, And when all the workers of iniquity flourish, It is that they may be destroyed forever.
Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I HAVE RAISED YOU UP, THAT I MAY SHOW MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MAY BE DECLARED IN ALL THE EARTH."
Rom 9:18 Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
Pro 16:4 The LORD has made all for Himself, Yes, even the wicked for the day of doom.
Psa 92:7 When the wicked spring up like grass, And when all the workers of iniquity flourish, It is that they may be destroyed forever.
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I have given you many Scriptures but you only want to focus on one verse, seemingly, to be able to twist it against the witness of the whole of Scripture which plainly declares that man is born a cursed slave to sin and child of Satan and therefore can not do anything to save himself, which is why Christ came to secure salvation for His people and not simply make men saveable by their supposed free will as you falsely seem to assume. You don't need to know systematic theology to understand this simple truth!
If you refuse to answer the simple question below then please do not waste any more of my time whining about a presumed indoctrination by men.
Did Christ die for those who are in Hell? YES or NO?
If you refuse to answer the simple question below then please do not waste any more of my time whining about a presumed indoctrination by men.
Did Christ die for those who are in Hell? YES or NO?
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because you still have your goggles on you can't see the fulfilment of Scripture such as the prophecy given to Amos below which was quoted as being already fulfilled in Acts.
Amo_9:11 "On that day I will raise up The tabernacle of David, which has fallen down, And repair its damages; I will raise up its ruins, And rebuild it as in the days of old;
Act 15:14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name.
Act 15:15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:
Act 15:16 'AFTER THIS I WILL RETURN AND WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID, WHICH HAS FALLEN DOWN; I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL SET IT UP;
Act 15:17 SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, EVEN ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME, SAYS THE LORD WHO DOES ALL THESE THINGS.'
God's tabernacle today is not a temple made out of stone but is made up of those who are born again in Christ!
1Co_3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
Amo_9:11 "On that day I will raise up The tabernacle of David, which has fallen down, And repair its damages; I will raise up its ruins, And rebuild it as in the days of old;
Act 15:14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name.
Act 15:15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:
Act 15:16 'AFTER THIS I WILL RETURN AND WILL REBUILD THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID, WHICH HAS FALLEN DOWN; I WILL REBUILD ITS RUINS, AND I WILL SET IT UP;
Act 15:17 SO THAT THE REST OF MANKIND MAY SEEK THE LORD, EVEN ALL THE GENTILES WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME, SAYS THE LORD WHO DOES ALL THESE THINGS.'
God's tabernacle today is not a temple made out of stone but is made up of those who are born again in Christ!
1Co_3:16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
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