Predestination is misunderstood...

There are some theologians who sublimate their hostility. Done in the guise of having a detached, intellectualized discourse, while claiming to be in the pursuit of the truth.

They can seem on the surface to be reasonable and impartial while they are attempting to dismantle a doctrinal concept they wish to prove otherwise.... Its a technique that those listening and functioning in their flesh will find humanly acceptable, while inwardly they too are being hostile in God's judgment.

The importance of presentation is placed over substance to have an appeal for those walking according to their flesh... They are often very religious and will feel secure as long as their approach is able to influence some to see it their way....

So, yes there is a type of denominational hostility when a denomination's false teaching is to be protected to keep the traditional thinking locked in.

Hostility does not have to be overt to be hostile to the truth. Even apathy can be a form of hostility when its in regards to spiritual matters.

So, Biblical wisdom is when one begins using Scripture out of context to say things one wants it to say. Actually that's called eisegesis, not wisdom. Wisdom is based in accurately understanding Scripture and using it skillfully. It's developed in Christ in Spirit over time.

Are you 100% sure that the Free Grace Dispensationalism you've been taught for 43 or more years is completely accurate?

Free grace?
Why the need to add the word 'free?'

Please define Free Grace Dispensationalism?
What does that mean to you specifically?

And .... Please, inform me of what you see is the correct way to live since you seem to be saying we are not living in a time of grace relationship with God..

Its you who need to define a few things.
Otherwise, I would need to presume some error to know what you mean.

You mean we are to be back under the Law? Not grace?



To coin a phrase....
"What the heck are you talking about?"

RBThieme is in the theological camp commonly referred to as Free Grace Dispensationalism. I normally don't like to use such classifying terminology because there are many variations within the themes. But for simplicity sake, I'm using it here. If you'd like to understand it, then you'll find explanation on the internet by searching it.

The link to the book re: Revelation and eschatology that I earlier thanked the poster for posting, which then prompted you to address me, briefly explains the 4 major schools of eschatological thought. RBThieme believed in and taught one of them - Dispensationalism.

Your assessment re: my view of God's grace is incorrect.

You and I began our discussion for the most part re: the attitudes of Christian siblings dealing with one another re: eschatology. I'd like to keep any discussion in this area rather than venturing into other areas of theology. My point was simple. I see Eschatology still being worked out in the Church in history. The Spirit of God is our instructor. When He has us vitally focused on it, the Church will come to more of a consensus just like it has with other major doctrines throughout history. That focus may be intensifying.

Each Eschatological school of thought thinks it has it all worked out. The battles can be intense at any level of understanding. Intensity is fine. Fallacious argumentation in all its forms, including disrespect and hostility is counter productive and poor argumentation.

A picture if I may. I spent several years living on an island in the middle of the Pacific. In a small way by comparison, I view it as my time away from things kind of like Paul experienced. In one respect I literally moved there just to focus on God's Word away from what many think is Church. On this island, chickens lived freely everywhere. To cut to the chase, the roosters at what I'd call their teen period, could be seen squaring off with one another. They'd posture face to face and at some point would lunge at each other, basically bounce off of one another's chest, and kind of walk away proudly like they'd accomplished something. Periodically at some point you'd see one of them stumbling around after being trounced by some older and more experienced fighter. Some of these theological discussions on forums remind me of the teenage roosters who've been taught some systematic theology by their pastors. The reality is there are studied men who would trounce most or all of us if we stepped out into the wider theological arena.

It seems you've spent 43 years listening to a pastor. On the one hand I commend you for your perseverance. On the other hand, when you step out of that systematic theology, as you know, there are other interpretive systems of thought. You've been taught that they are wrong. Prove your case with Scripture. Or, which may be easier, venture out and read some of the works on eschatology from the other systems. If you come away thinking you have the ability to prove that they are wrong, then you should write a book of your own, or use some tech to reach the rest of us. Posting a link to your [deceased] pastor is not an argument. Plenty of his contemporaries with languages training saw things differently than he did and wrote extensive works explaining their research.

So. let's establish this much.

You do not believe there are dispensations. Correct?

I found my pastor through as process of going through exposure to different ways to conclude.
You approach me as if you are speaking to a baby Christian...

You can do what you want.
For you know that what sits well with you?
There is someone out there who you can teach that will agree with you.

I have to trust my leading by God.
And, my spiritual instincts with you are being read loud and clear.

Wishing you a nice Day....

I see a concept of administrations in the Text. So do others in some of the non-Dispensational schools of thought. But there's much more to Dispensationalism.

You misread me in part and are being defensive.

I have to stop here:

The only thing that might have made me feel defensive?
Would be your presumption that I am feeling defensive.

I would much rather leave you be, to spread whatever it is that you wish others to believe.

All I can see with you is a person who desires to deal the deck to see who can win over a battle of words.
We are warned not to do that. 2 Timothy 2:14

I would rather sit tight and come to the defense of another whom I see another trying to take advantage of
than concern myself with someone like yourself simply not agreeing with me.


I really am living better things to do.

grace and peace ...........

Understood.

Remember that you addressed me first and all I said to prompt your correction or disagreement was to thank @maxamir for posting a link to something that explained the different schools of eschatology and state the opinion that I wish more understood them and were less hostile to one another on the topic of eschatology.

BTW, somewhat off topic, are you retired military? After 43 years under your PT, you may know why I ask.

The KJV may say so... But OT believers were believers. Never called "saints."


I wonder if there is a schoolyard where you might be able to try your bully tactics on?

Not with me you don't.

The teaching you push was designed for those who like to bully young immature believers.

Now, be a strong big brave boy... and accept that no one here will take you seriously, unless they are still babes in Christ, and not know any better to not waste their time.



.. is that angel wings I hear?

Many years research?

That eye hiding cowardly behind a hole in the wall looks only around 18 years old.

And, the thinking that eye presents? Seems to be hovering around the same..

You're young. There is plenty of time for you to learn what is really needed.

Wishing you well....

And you are quite welcome to your view and can probably explain it.

I've been watching, not closely, but sufficiently for me at this time, some interesting work currently going on within the Preterist camps.

@selahsays Zzz . How so?

And you are quite welcome to your view and can probably explain it.

I've been watching, not closely, but sufficiently for me at this time, some interesting work currently going on within the Preterist camps.

once again you prove that you are unteachable and unable to discern the truth according to Scripture and instead throw accusations and childish slander.

If you can not refute what is said using Scripture then you either do not yet know Scripture or have the Holy Spirit which guides the saints into all truth.

All walks of life learn from him.

I am not retired military... I served during the Vietnam years in the National Guard years before I even read the Bible.
Later, sitting under RBT caused me to understand what it was I went through while in the army years.

I was not attracted to Robert Thieme's teachings for his military back ground. I began listening to him after a professor
of ancient languages at the Bible college I attended recommended Thieme to me on night before church service. Other
pastors on campus and a few students were following his free of charge teachings. Some pastors around the country
used RBT lessons as reference material.

RBT had an ability to explain military details mentioned in the Bible where most pastors are ignorant, or very weak in understanding.
Jesus making his enemies into his footstool is from Roman military thinking. Its not as simple as we imagine.

King David .. Joshua ... Moses.... and others can not be fully appreciated for their mentality without someone shedding light on their
military skills presented in the Bible... Without such teaching most of us never can get to appreciate what Jesus caused in these men to be manifested in their lives. One thing I was highly fascinated by... was his insights on the military metaphors used by Paul (and why Paul was able to use them).

Beside the military?

RBT as a mature Christian man offered many insights and wisdom for all aspects of life that the Bible covers.



grace and peace .......

be cautious and know that full Preterism is heresy and denies the return of the Lord. I adhere to partial Preterism and can see fulfilment of some prophecies historically but sit within the Idealist camp knowing that prophecies have a now and then fulfilment and are applicable to all Christians for all ages as being the revealed Word of God.

What Maxamir linked to you seem unfazed by.

I think you know. You ain’t fooling me.