All Of Israel, Or Just A Remnant?

Those lost sheep of the house of Israel, whom God has blinded to know the gospel will eventually repent. Romans 11:26, And so all Israel shall be saved, as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob.

Concerning Matt 7:21-23, "the kingdom of heaven" is one of many names in the scriptures that have reference to Christ's bride, the church. Such as, The little flock, The kingdom of God, the church of Christ, the church in the wilderness, The church of God, and others.

The physical church discipline will not accept accept some disobedient children of God as members of the church that have the promise of an inheritance of eternal heaven.

The Kingdom of Heaven is when Christ comes for His bride and they will forevermore be with Jesus. It's those who are part of the first resurrection as found in Revelation 20. His saints will meet Him in the Clouds and be with Him forevermore. 1 Thessalonians 4:17

Mat 7:21-23 is a warning that Jesus in His own Words says its more than believing to be saved. He says many will say Lord, Lord (believers) but did not submit to His will and practice lawlessness (sin) that He will say depart from Me, He does not know them, because 1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

His sheep follow Him and follow His teachings- Jesus said If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15. How do we have faith in Jesus but not faith in His teachings. We need both the faith in Him and faith of Jesus, which means as His sheep we follow the Lamb and do what He taught as He is our example to follow. 1 John 2:6 and this faith will only lead us on the narrow path that He says few find. Mat 7:13-14. Few find it because they seek their will over His.

The Kingdom of Heaven is when Christ comes for His bride and they will forevermore be with Jesus. It's those who are part of the first resurrection as found in Revelation 20. His saints will meet Him in the Clouds and be with Him forevermore. 1 Thessalonians 4:17

Mat 7:21-23 is a warning that Jesus in His own Words says its more than believing to be saved. He says many will say Lord, Lord (believers) but did not submit to His will and practice lawlessness (sin) that He will say depart from Me, He does not know them, because 1 John 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

His sheep follow Him and follow His teachings- Jesus said If you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15. How do we have faith in Jesus but not faith in His teachings. We need both the faith in Him and faith of Jesus, which means as His sheep we follow the Lamb and do what He taught as He is our example to follow. 1 John 2:6 and this faith will only lead us on the narrow path that He says few find. Mat 7:13-14. Few find it because they seek their will over His.

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here is one thing that may be missing. When the Lord raptures the church He aso raises up the Jews. I saw that in Daniel 12.

At that time shall arise Michael the great prince who has charge of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble such as never has been since there was a nation till that time but at that time your people shall be delivered everyone whose name shall be found written in the book. And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awaken, some to everlasting life and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

And those who are wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament and those who turn many to righteousness like the stars forever and ever.

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We can see that it at the time of the great tribulation, we can see that the Jews will be delivered from out of the great trib. We can see that they are raised from the dead, not just the righteous but the wicked too [so it is not the Rapture, though it would seem likely to be simultaneous with]

And here we may see that ALL Israel does not seem to mean every single Jew.

On the famous remnant, the apostles were the remnant, the Jewish church was [perhaps still is] the remnant. Paul identifies himself with the remnant.
The purpose of the remnant is to keep the testimony alive until the whole nation is turned back to the Lord. As at Mt Carmel through Elijah and the subsequent ministries of Elisha and King Jehu.

I am assuming that you do not believe that following God's commandments, and believing in spiritual things had anything to do with your eternal salvation, but are the after effects of being born again.

the question should be what identifies israel in Gods eyes ?

SabbathBlessing, I am enjoying conversing the scriptures with you endeavoring to seek the truth by harmonizing the scriptures.

Very few, in Jesus's days, understood his teachings. His followers said it is a hard saying, who can understand it? I believe that holds true in this day and time.

It is true that Jesus will come again at the last day, and his angels will gather his elect, which will include all of the household of Israel, and the remnant of the household of Israel, from all over the earth.

I believe the scriptures to teach that there is, in this world, an invisible(my word) church consisting of those that God has blinded to see the truth, and a visible church consisting of the remnant who have been revealed the knowledge of the gospel.

In Ezekiel 10, especially verse 10, it speaks of a wheel within a wheel. I believe the outer, larger, wheel represents the invisible church, Lost sheep of the household of Israel, which is the wide gate in Matt 7, that are teaching false doctrines of salvation by works, and the inner, smaller, wheel represents the visible church, the remnant of the household of Israel, which is the strait gate, who are teaching the truth of the gospel.

Eternal salvation was accomplished on the cross for all of those that Jesus's Father gave to him, and he promised that he would lose none of them John 6:37-40.

There are two things which identify "Israel" at one and the same time: (1) whether a Jew is in fact a part of the believing remnant of Israel (including the Hebrew OT saints) and (2) after the Second Coming of Christ, whether a Jew from one of the twelve tribes is also a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ.

The redeemed twelve tribes have been promised the land of Greater Israel (from the Nile to the Euphrates). This will become a reality after the Second Coming. But Jews who are already a part of the Church (until the Rapture) are not in that group. The New Jerusalem is the eternal home of the Church. And in the Body of Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile.

no one is a child of Abraham’s promised inheritance unless they accept Christ

There are two things which identify "Israel" at one and the same time: (1) whether a Jew is in fact a part of the believing remnant of Israel (including the Hebrew OT saints) and (2) after the Second Coming of Christ, whether a Jew from one of the twelve tribes is also a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ.

The redeemed twelve tribes have been promised the land of Greater Israel (from the Nile to the Euphrates). This will become a reality after the Second Coming. But Jews who are already a part of the Church (until the Rapture) are not in that group. The New Jerusalem is the eternal home of the Church. And in the Body of Christ there is neither Jew nor Gentile.

If they take the mark of the Israeli government ,they won't be receiving it for sure

“On the famous remnant, the apostles were the remnant, the Jewish church was [perhaps still is] the remnant. Paul identifies himself with the remnant.”

indeed those saved of the first generation of the church during the great tribulation. And then the scattering of the remnant of Israel.

the question should be what identifies israel in Gods eyes ?

“Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.



That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God:

but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭9:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

You can’t be an Israelite in Gods eyes and reject the gospel and you can’t be a gentile in Gods eyes if you accept Jesus the seed of Abraham because in spirit it makes us the seed of Abraham to receive his spirit who is the seed of Abraham

One can be born of Israeli flesh and blood this doesn’t mean they are Gods chosen people look at Judas and all those who rejected Jesus they were isralites by flesh but not in spirit . They rejected the spirit of Gods chosen.

this makes a person elect and nothing else can even being born of a tribe of Israel cannot remove or replace this

“And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Our flesh heritage no longer matters only Jesus and the gospel and our response to him matters

“Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

… For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:16, 26-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This isn’t how we see it according to our rules and flesh and blood sight we see race and flesh what bloodline were born of making us something different to God . But to him if we receive Jesus and the gospel bekng born in the flesh as an Israelite , African , Chinese , Japanese , Indian , European , Greek , Roman , native anerican ect all of the things of the flesh those are not a factor any longer even flesh circumcision not a thing any longer

the one factor for all creation is Jesus and the gospel and thier ondividual response to him and the offer he’s made to be saved by him and for him not for any kingdom we have seen but the one we hear about and believe

this earth is doomed for certain even the land of Israel currently even Jerusalem under a curse but we can be saved from the curse through Christ for another kingdom

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:32-33‬ ‭

“In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: we are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:6, 8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭23:42-43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭14:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:9-10, 13-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:13-14, 16‬ ‭

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1-2‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:10‬ ‭

“For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Each covenant has a promised land and a Jerusalem spoken of in the ot prophets beforehand

“For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭65:17-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Don't you find Pilgrim that sometimes we have to ponder much and deeply upon some difficult passages of scripture?

See how Paul makes a distinction between the children of Abraham and the Israel.

What is he saying then? only that Ishmael is not the seed of promise, we know that and we see it clearly throughout history to the present day. But all who are of Isaac most definitely are.

It was the seed of Isaac who rejected Christ, Israel. They stumbled ....

The question now is have they stumbled so as to fall? God forbid. Paul was speaking to the present situation, he is describing the state of affairs as it then was.

The Jews are enemies of the gospel for our sakes but as touching ELECTION they are beloved for the father's sake for the promises and calling of God cannot be revoked. THAT is a massive statement. It is not the obedient or believing Jews Paul is calling beloved but the disbelieving and disobedient, the enemies of the gospel.

What became of their disbelief and disobedience? their stumbling, their greatest sin? SALVATION for the world, for you and for me. Election is everything in the bible.

And if their disobedience and fall has brought blessing what will their obedience and acceptance bring? Resurrection from the dead, that's what ... there will be no rapture until it's God's time to turn the Jews back to Himself.

All Israel must be saved. the debate is does all mean every single, I venture no.

But it certainly doesn't mean just a straggley few.

We are looking at events AFTER the Second Coming of Christ. At present all are exhorted to repent and believe. Those who do not may well face the Mark of the Beast.

Don't you find Pilgrim that sometimes we have to ponder much and deeply upon some difficult passages of scripture?

See how Paul makes a distinction between the children of Abraham and the Israel.

What is he saying then? only that Ishmael is not the seed of promise, we know that and we see it clearly throughout history to the present day. But all who are of Isaac most definitely are.

It was the seed of Isaac who rejected Christ, Israel. They stumbled ....

The question now is have they stumbled so as to fall? God forbid. Paul was speaking to the present situation, he is describing the state of affairs as it then was.

The Jews are enemies of the gospel for our sakes but as touching ELECTION they are beloved for the father's sake for the promises and calling of God cannot be revoked. THAT is a massive statement. It is not the obedient or believing Jews Paul is calling beloved but the disbelieving and disobedient, the enemies of the gospel.

What became of their disbelief and disobedience? their stumbling, their greatest sin? SALVATION for the world, for you and for me. Election is everything in the bible.

And if their disobedience and fall has brought blessing what will their obedience and acceptance bring? Resurrection from the dead, that's what ... there will be no rapture until it's God's time to turn the Jews back to Himself.

All Israel must be saved. the debate is does all mean every single, I venture no.

But it certainly doesn't mean just a straggley few.

That is simply not what the Bible says. The Bible says "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved".

So all of Christ's sheep must FIRST repent and believe, then be saved. then receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and be born again. Then they will surely have eternal security, but all of mankind is invited to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. There is an order to salvation, and nobody was automatically saved at the cross. Salvation was made possible through the supreme sacrifice and shed blood of Christ. Hence the necessity of preaching the Gospel.

no one is a child of Abraham’s promised inheritance unless they accept Christ

That is simply not what the Bible says. The Bible says "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved".

So all of Christ's sheep must FIRST repent and believe, then be saved. then receive the gift of the Holy Spirit and be born again. Then they will surely have eternal security, but all of mankind is invited to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. There is an order to salvation, and nobody was automatically saved at the cross. Salvation was made possible through the supreme sacrifice and shed blood of Christ. Hence the necessity of preaching the Gospel.