Predestination is misunderstood...

According to Rom. 8:23, adoption is resurrection.
I would say redeemed by the atonement, justified by faith in Christ according to the light one has, regenerated with a new spirit, sanctified, glorified/adopted/ resurrected in the twinkling of an eye.

I am going to go back and read through the posts, I always want to examine new ideas (to me) because that is how I realized that dispensationalism was wrong.

the remnant of Isreal are also the remenant of the sons of Adam.

God has blessed me with a wonderful wife and beautiful children, all of them unreservedly love and respect me. I have many relatives and friends outside of the Church.
Most of them respect me, even though they don't agree with my theology. Others hate me but they still show some respect because they may be work colleges, neighbors, acquaintances or relatives.

I would be very worried if my worldly friends affirmed me and treated me like one of the boys, many hate me because I shared the gospel with them and as we know the gospel is the stench of death to the world.
So all the important people in my life love me very much and many of my worldly friends despise me but they still try to get on with me for the sake of peace.

Everyone knows, except for you

this also depraves me. everyone is a generalisation of you assuming everyone should think like you.


who wrote the tulip doctrine

I get what you're saying but that doesn't apply in our case. I have called you out and you haven't justified your position by appealing to Gods Word, but in your defense you've have appealed to a man made philosophy and that just doesn't old water.

So I repeat, please name me a single Prophet of God or an Apostle who lived after the12 who Christ ordained. I know you answer already, you can't because they don't exist thank you

it's not about people needing to justify you

Evidently this also is depraving

Evidently the tulip doctrine teaches how to deprave the depraved.

Thanks for the advice, I will take it onboard. I have been involved with our outreach ministry and the Elder who I accompany in door knocking and approaching people on the street. Taught me to hit people with some cold hard facts, rather than just telling them "Jesus loves you and hand them a tract" they usually grab the tract and say gotta run guys. They go away thinking that Jesus loves them regardless of how they live or what they do.

His usual approach is to ask them what their relationship with Jesus Christ is like. Most say things like yeah I was born into a Catholic or some other kind of religious family, so yeah Jesus is a cool dude.

But then he askes them if they think they're going to heaven if they die today and then he goes through the 10 commandments and of course they fail them so he askes them again if God should accept them into heaven considering they have just admitted that they broke His commandments.

So his approach is from a fire and brimstone position, with the intention of shaking people out of a false sense of security. He says, folks need to be shown that they are in need or forgiveness, rather than telling everyone Jesus loves you. And that has rubbed off onto me.

He did give me the same advice as you did, he said you don't want to repel people by giving them the impression that you're "holier than thou" as that will turn them against you. And you will lose the opportunity to be a faithful witness. So I'll try to find a balance when communicating with people who have different world views.

True, but there are many others like "repent or perish, for the end is nigh"

Come on man, you know it was JC it's common knowledge.

You can't deprave the depraved. Just like you can't con a conman

Of course you can con a con man, they are not immune to deceit, there is always someone smarter.

nonsense

no I don't know show me proof he wrote it

Common knowledge is not proof

Daisy twins.

You really like that.
It suits your kind of flesh just fine..
Your flesh loves it..
It wants to use it for license to free expression to push around others in the name of righteousness.

Take your fantasy about yourself elsewhere.

Clobbering and telling someone they are wrong leaves them with nothing to think with.
Instead... you should be giving them the truth that they lack and leave it to God as for the outcome.

Unless you can teach what they lack in understanding? And, can only tell them they are wrong?

Put the whip down.

Its not a toy for little boys in a big body to make themselves feel like they are a big man for God.

Teach what is needed to be known first.
Then leave it to God for the outcome.

We don't need another jackass running wild in the forum.

thank you.

Grace and peace................

tulip tunes 😊

Actually... first comes God creating the Heavens and earth.
For without the creation there could be no regeneration.

Come on... I was talking about an actual experience a believer goes through.
I simply stated...

That was the only point I wanted to make.
There is too much competition and not enough meditation.

Sometimes I think Christian forums are like the Church hanging out its dirty laundry in the world's back yard the way we act.