You haven't shown me where I was supposed to be blowing my own trumpet. Are you sure the trumpet sound isn't just in your imagination?
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Your contradicting yourself and confusing the issue.the ministry of your shepherd should be to point you to the Shepherd. if you are following your shepherd, you're following a man. Following men is what causes division in the body of Christ ... read 1 Corinthians chapters 1 through 3.
Following the Lord Jesus Christ results in unity where each believer who follows Him has fellowship other believers who follow Him ... and all should realize we're all at different stages in our walks in the Lord.
The Lord Jesus Christ, as Head of His body, the church, which is comprised of all born again believers ... He has given gifts to the church ... apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. The purpose of the gift ministries is ...
Ephesians 4:
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
I pray your shepherd is faithful to his calling ...
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It's obvious you're a sheep and not a shepherd, so you must follow your shepherd and please don't give me this "I follow Jesus nonsense" Jesus is in heaven, He hasn't spoken a word to any man for 2000 years. So how can He possibly be your shepherd, when you're an earthbound man and He is in another universe.
And how can a sheep be sure that his earthly shepherd is not a wolf in sheep's clothing. So there's a lot of issues with your advice. The biggest problem I see with your opinion here is, you stated that "following men causes division in the body of Christ" .
The problem with that statement is, you failed to consider that we have no choice other than to follow men. We all need a shepherd to teach us sheep about God, so we don't end up with 2 billion conflicting interpretations.
My Minister said, if we give the bible to 10 sheep to study, they would give us 10 conflicting views on what the Bible teaches. So that's why God appointed Shepherds to lead and teach us Sheep. If a Sheep leaves the safety of the Shepherd and the flock, it will quickly fall prey to a hungry lion.
Nothing more foolish than a rouge sheep in a jungle full of hungry lions, yet so many sheep boast about how smart they are saying we don't need a shepherd. I show them how smart I am.
Jeremiah 3:15
And I will give you shepherds after my own heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.
Hebrews 13:17
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with groaning, for that would be of no advantage to you.
James 3:1
Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness.
Acts 20:28
Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
Titus 1:7
For an overseer, as God’s steward, must be above reproach. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or a drunkard or violent or greedy for gain,
There are many other passages of scripture which instruct us obey and respect our Shepherds. Don't worry about finding faults in your God appointed Shepherd, he will be held responsible for any faults and you will be forgiven.
You need to be in authority over people before using a whip to correct them.
You would gain more respect from me if you would back up your thoughts with scripture, otherwise, they are just your thoughts.
But when the natural man, before he has been born again will not admit that it was created by a spiritual God. He thinks it was by evolution, or the big bang theory.
This is why tulip is wrong
Have a read
Genesis 2
But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
If you read this it says Before the fall of man. God did not know the animals would be a suitable helper untill he tried it out first. This is because man was not outside of time then and was saved before the fall so there was no need to know what man would do next.
Now after the fall God knew what man would do next because he then decided to save people. Because before the fall man was saved, this is because after the fall God put man outside of time to know what he would do next. To help him in a fallen state.
Because God said man shall not live alone.
As God says this after the fall. before you pray I know what you need before you ask.
Well read the above passage again
God did not know before the fall that animals would be a suitable helper until he tried it.
This proves that fatalism doesn't exist.
Because calvinism promotes fatalism.
And it proves God decided who to save after the fall.
Because before the fall man was saved.
Once again God is all knowing
God is all knowing
God is all knowing
God is all knowing
Not man not man not man
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Have a read
Genesis 2
But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.
If you read this it says Before the fall of man. God did not know the animals would be a suitable helper untill he tried it out first. This is because man was not outside of time then and was saved before the fall so there was no need to know what man would do next.
Now after the fall God knew what man would do next because he then decided to save people. Because before the fall man was saved, this is because after the fall God put man outside of time to know what he would do next. To help him in a fallen state.
Because God said man shall not live alone.
As God says this after the fall. before you pray I know what you need before you ask.
Well read the above passage again
God did not know before the fall that animals would be a suitable helper until he tried it.
This proves that fatalism doesn't exist.
Because calvinism promotes fatalism.
And it proves God decided who to save after the fall.
Because before the fall man was saved.
Once again God is all knowing
God is all knowing
God is all knowing
God is all knowing
Not man not man not man
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My whip may as well be a feather duster, it doesn't hurt at all. But I warn folks about the God who's wrath abides on unrepentant sinners and those who do damage to His Word by adding to it or taking away from it.
My whip is a walk in the park compared to God's chastening. Sometimes He afflicts the rebellious Christians with harsh providences. Everyone's faith will be tested with fire, which will remove the dross and refine us to be like pure gold.
But the fire will leave those who don't bare good fruit with nothing, and they will cast into the outer darkness and there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth, in that place.
evidently calvinism depraves the depraved. Obviously
Tulips are all in bloom now
Sharing my heart on this matter
people calvinism depraves the depraved,
I never realised until 2 weeks weeks I've been getting abused by this the whole 12 months I've been here and that I'm the one who's been bashed by Calvinism and this tulip doctrine that I never knew it existed.
Or Calvinists where doing this
people
you may not have not noticed but I'm being deliberately targeted by Calvinists, who with there doctrine of total depravity have decided that I don't serve God so now there stripping me of God as they do all other people
So I've now re wrote my will again that I will take to my death bed.
Some of you may never of understood so here it is again
Heres a letter to my will, that i will leave in my will, which still shows God as all knowing.
And the question I will leave in my will is
Why Did God make it law that man shall not live alone.
The other thing I will state in my will is that Calvinism will say this is not true, because they say it doesn't line up with an ism, isms are bad thing.
Then in my will, will be this question.
Can you see how this proves calvinism wrong.
friends it will hopefully sink in soon
But here's the reason
Right up to the ending of genesis 3
God had created man not outside of time.
In other words he chose not to know what man would do next before they did something, before the fall of man, because they where living in innocence in his garden, which can be shown in many ways in genesis 3 also.
Well this proves calvinism wrong
but here the other thing,
God first created man with no suitable helper.
After he saw the animals where not suitable helpers for Adam he then made it a law that man should not live alone without a suitable helper and gave him a wife.
because man was first created not outside of time before the fall , God never knew man would not find the animals suitable helpers, so he the made it law that man shall not live alone by giving him a suitable helper
This is why he hates divorce to.
He hates divorce so much he considers that man living alone is not Good.
But after the fall particular genesis 3 God put man outside of times so he could know what you where going to do before you do it.
Why well to help you in a fallen state, which means you are never truly totally depraved, as God honours marriage in life and death.
One scripture says, when you pray God's knows what you need before you ask him.
Well he never knew that before the fall, because God realised man did not have a suitable helper at first.
If you turn to bible you will read God found that the animals where not suitable helpers for Adam.
So he gave man a helper (a wife) and it made it law that man shall not live alone.
To further sanction this God made it law that marriage must be honoured and told us in no uncertain terms that he hates divorce.
So in death God the father is still with you untill he hands you to the son.
Oh one last note
God is still all knowing.
Because hes God and he cares about you in a fallen state, he has made you live outside of time, so that he knows what you will do before you do it.
As God says this
When you pray God knows what you need before you know it.
Well this was after the fall he said this.
Because before th fall in the garden of innocent ie eden, he never knew that then animals would be a suitable helper untill it was tried.
Then when he knew God then said it's not good that man shall live alone so he made it a law that man shall not live alone and have man a wife.
One last note
God is still all knowing
God is still all knowing
God is still all knowing
God is still all knowing.
Oh lastly one more thing God is still all knowing
Thanks for wanting to understand people
Stroll on with the thunderdome song
Your comments reveal that you are contradicting yourself. You say God chose not to know what man would do, and God never knew that animals would not be suitable helpers. Then you say God is still all knowing.
Okay. Let me ask you a straightforward question: do you have any normal relationships with real people in real life? Do you have friends and family who enjoy your company, or do people generally avoid you because you're constantly correcting them?
OK. so by your own admission you do not have the mind of Christ, and you think that because you don't, no one else does either. Generalising your experience to everyone else is the hasty generalisation fallacy.
https://www.scribbr.com/fallacies/h...zation fallacy work,members is a logical leap.
How does hasty generalization fallacy work. An argument based on a hasty generalization moves from particular statements to a general statement. However, inferring a conclusion about an entire class of things from inadequate knowledge about some of its members is a logical leap.
Zeph 3, She obeyed not the voice, she received not correction, she trusted not in the Lord, she drew not near to her God.
Verse 12-13, I will also leave in the midst of thee an afflicted and poor people, and they shall trust in the name of the Lord, The remnant of Israel shall do no iniquity, nor speak lies, neither shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth, for they shall feed and lay down, and none shall make them afraid.
Yes I have great relations with everyone in my Church and with several sister Churches and the number of brethren I fellowship with in real life is well over 1000
I admit I'm not as judgmental towards my brethren in the Church, but I still confront them if they' exhibit any sinful behavior or a rebellious attitude towards the Minister or other members. Thankfully our Church is blessed with a faithful congregation so I've never had any serious issues with anyone.
We have excommunicated several members, for various reasons but these didn't involve me in any way other than I did vote to excommunicate them after I became aware of their sinful behavior.
I was trying to humor you when I claimed to be a "nice guy" I'm fully aware there's no such thing as a nice guy in the bible. I don't claim any goodness of my own, all of my good works are the result of obedience which is born out of fear of God. So there's no good thing in me, all the money and other practical support I have given to the Church is out of obedience to God.
So I'm not a nice guy or a good guy, but my Lord and Master is the only One who goodness can be attributed to. I'm just a beggar, trying to tell other beggars where I found food and water.
First comes atonement. Then faith in Christ's resurrection with justification. Then regeneration. Then sanctification (the operational training phase) then resurrection/glorification/adoption in the twinkling of an eye. Then reigning with Christ.
Good! Your interaction on this site seems to be rather focused on correcting others, which paints you as self-righteous and arrogant. Maybe scale it back a bit and try to balance the correction with edification.
evidently this also depraves people to
In the bible there is plenty of stories of people being nice