The Security Of The Believer

After you die once, you must have life to die a second time.

How does...it is appointed unto man once to die, and then the judgment...fit in?

Why don't schizophrenia patients experience any symptoms until the age of accountability?

Jesus got out of purgatory didn't he? Says Jesus held captivity captive. He told the thief on the cross with him that he would be in paradise with him that evening., Jesus was referring to some sort of "holding place" NOT Hades. More like "Abraham's Bossom." For Jesus it was easy in this holding place, he was sinless. However, it's my belief that it can be very difficult for a sinful man to get out of purgatory. Yet it says we will all be seasoned with the flames of hell, does it not? Yes, in order to perfect us. To make us more like Jesus. We are refined. How much pure gold will you produce? I've produced a lot of gold in my day. I'm very seasoned.

Your "seasoning" proves it did not happen in hell, or purgatory, but on Earth.
Isaiah 48:10 ~ I have tested you in the furnace of affliction

For many years people have debated the Biblical doctrine of Security. Some have called it “once in grace, always in grace”, others “once saved, always saved”. However it is referred to, the doctrine of “The Security of the Believer” is the teaching that when a person accepts the Grace of God (i.e., by repentance and faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ), that person experiences a re-birth. The ‘old’ man dies (as far as the spirit is concerned) and is reborn as a new creation in Christ. The Holy Spirit seals this re-born spirit as a pledge or guarantee that the redemption that has begun in that person WILL come to fruition. This is SECURITY. God cannot lie. He does not lie. He will not lie. Ephesians 4:30 states, “And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.”

Now whether one translates the word "eis" concretely with emphasis on direction and motion, with reference to time and duration, or in the abstract as “with reference to”, the ‘sealing’ points to ‘the day of redemption’. This is when Jesus returns and believers receive their glorified bodies (full redemption). Of course, when we become like Jesus, glorified body and all, we will not have to worry about a ‘sin’ nature for all eternity. But what about between the ‘day’ one believes and the ‘day’ of redemption? If this soul should decide to “jump out” of the hand of God, rebel and forsake his “Christian” walk, then what happens to the SEAL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. The idea behind this SEAL is an impress for privacy, secrecy, security, and authority. Kings sealed with a signet scrolls, letters, writings that were not to be read except at the appointed time and by the appointed individual. Daniel was told, “Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.” That means ‘forget it boys’, you’re not going to find out “till the time of the end.”

The point is simply this: The seal of the Holy Spirit (which protects the spirit of man) guarantees the safe and secure delivery of that soul to the day of redemption (of that soul). If, for ANY reason, that soul is not brought unto “the day of redemption”, then either the seal (Holy Spirit of God) has been broken (overpowered by a greater power -- which does not exist), or God simply lied. Neither is the case. Thus salvation and security are inseparable. One cannot have one without the other. If you are genuinely saved, then you are secure. And if you have not security, then you have not salvation.

If one is not ETERNALLY saved, then he is not saved at all.

The bible doctrine of eternal security cannot be disputed in any way shape of form. It's surprising to see others trying to impose conditions which open the door to the possibility of falling away.

You have summarized that bible doctrine very well. So there's no room for compromise here, but I notice some still don't accept it.

But the context is of temporal discipline kind of judgment. The person who is a believer has a higher standard of faith to be judged by.

So because a person is a Christian, they are held to a higher standard than a Gentile? Isn't that showing favoritism?

I think when people look at judgment verses they don't go deep enough into it to see who is being judged and what kind of judgment.

So when they see the verses like in 2 Peter of Gentiles who have escaped the pollution of the world thru the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ and then go back to corrupt ways.. the judgment of fire becomes hell to them..

But the context is of temporal discipline kind of judgment. The person who is a believer has a higher standard of faith to be judged by.

Their eternal destiny isn't in question but their closeness in relationship with Jesus and the discipline Jesus will give.

Wrong, it happened in Heaven. Not on Earth. Abraham's bossom is where I will go, for to be dead in the body is to be present with the LORD! My "seasoning" has not been finished yet, as I was speaking metaphorically of my Gold being produced. However, like I meant... I have touched every person's life on Earth in a personal way. I believe I have gifted the Earth with my coming.

Jesus is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but for the sins of the whole world. 1 John 2:

Heb. 9:15 And for this cause He is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transge=ressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Col. 1:14 In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins.

Our Lord redeemed all men from death. That is why all men will be raised from the dead. He will then consign some to a second death. The resurrection millennium, at the beginning of which we will have the resurrection of the righteous, and at the end of which we will have the resurrection of the wicked, is the day of redemption.

None of those verses say anything even remotely resembling your claim of:

Resurrection from the first death is possible because of each souls redemption.

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Redemption is the forgiveness of sins. Jesus blood paid for all sins; except the sin of rejecting Jesus Christ as Lord. Obviously, those who reject the King are not eligible for life in the kingdom in fellowship with the King.
The scandal of the gospel is that, through one man's righteousness, God is not reckoning our many sins against us, so we have no excuse for hating Him and rejecting Him as Lord. !

Redemption is the forgiveness of sins. Jesus blood paid for all sins; except the sin of rejecting Jesus Christ as Lord. Obviously, those who reject the King are not eligible for life in the kingdom in fellowship with the King.
The scandal of the gospel is that, through one man's righteousness, God is not reckoning our many sins against us, so we have no excuse for hating Him and rejecting Him as Lord. !

Where does scripture say that the sin of rejecting Jesus was not paid for?

Galatians 2:16 KJV — Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith/faithfulness of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith/faithfulness of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

1 Corinthians 1:21 KJV — For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Romans 10:11 KJV — For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 9:33 KJV — As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumbling stone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Romans 4:5 KJV — But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Romans 3:3 KJV — For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Romans 1:16 KJV — For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Acts 13:39 KJV — And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

John 8:24 KJV — I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

John 3:36 KJV — He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 3:16 KJV — For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Mark 16:16 KJV — He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

Romans 3:24 KJV — Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Romans 3:26 KJV — To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Romans 5:1 KJV — Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Romans 5:9 KJV — Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Romans 5:18 KJV — Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

Galatians 3:24 KJV — Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:11 KJV — But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

2 Cor. 5:19 To wit that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

The only requirement God has on those who would be saved is that we believe on Jesus Christ as the scapegoat who has already taken away our sins in His own body on the cross. All sins other than rejecting Jesus as risen Lord are therefore, logically, taken off all our records. This one sin is quite sufficient to exclude us from His Kingdom.

Luke 19:14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying "We do not want to have this man to reign over us." ...
27. "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."


In not imputing our sins to us, other than the sin of rejecting God's appointed King, God does His utmost to welcome sinners to reconcile with Him and accept and trust His rule in their lives.