Predestination is misunderstood...
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Predestination isn’t misunderstood. Many simply disapprove of its implications.
The implications? God creates some as objects for salvation, and he creates some for the purpose of destruction. He happens to tell those he has designed for destruction, that they must repent and believe, even though he didn’t create them to repent and believe. He is telling the objects meant for destruction they must somehow defy the very thing he created them for.
No misunderstandings from anyone, simply disagreement with its implications.
The implications? God creates some as objects for salvation, and he creates some for the purpose of destruction. He happens to tell those he has designed for destruction, that they must repent and believe, even though he didn’t create them to repent and believe. He is telling the objects meant for destruction they must somehow defy the very thing he created them for.
No misunderstandings from anyone, simply disagreement with its implications.
obviously his thinking led to his fall, correct..but how consciously aware of spiritual death was he.
It may be he wasn't fully aware because the choice he made to eat was after he saw his wife alive after eating.
So as they where eyeballing each other with expressions before either one of them ate did that not fully sure conscious rub of on each other
It may be he wasn't fully aware because the choice he made to eat was after he saw his wife alive after eating.
So as they where eyeballing each other with expressions before either one of them ate did that not fully sure conscious rub of on each other
put yourself there for a moment.
Theres your wife eyeballing you, being told something contrary to what you've been made to believe.
Your wife raises here eyebrows with a don't know look. You raise your eye brows back with the same don't know look.
Before you know if your wife grabs some fruit and eat it's.
You see that she enjoys it and lives.
She passes it to you.
Do you a stop to think of every possibility before eating it.
Theres your wife eyeballing you, being told something contrary to what you've been made to believe.
Your wife raises here eyebrows with a don't know look. You raise your eye brows back with the same don't know look.
Before you know if your wife grabs some fruit and eat it's.
You see that she enjoys it and lives.
She passes it to you.
Do you a stop to think of every possibility before eating it.
That's a good line of argument, E.G. I am happy with the translation "day". But God used the word and Peter says that for God a day is as a thousand years. So, from God's point of view He was saying, "Within the 1000 year day of your to eat (qal infinitive construct + 2nd person suffix) of it, to die you will be dying. (qal incomplete + 2nd person suffix)."
The idea seems to be that "within the 1000 year day starting from your eating of it, you won't completely die at once, but in order to die, you will be dying by degrees".
I agree with you that something broke when Adam sinned and he began to die by degrees. But someone who is beginnng to die, is not completely dead. Nor are they necessarily spiritually dead. They are losing vitality. They may be physically, psychologically and spiritually sick. But the Hebrew incomplete qal form of the verb does not support the idea that they became completely dead in any way because of Adam's sin.
The idea seems to be that "within the 1000 year day starting from your eating of it, you won't completely die at once, but in order to die, you will be dying by degrees".
I agree with you that something broke when Adam sinned and he began to die by degrees. But someone who is beginnng to die, is not completely dead. Nor are they necessarily spiritually dead. They are losing vitality. They may be physically, psychologically and spiritually sick. But the Hebrew incomplete qal form of the verb does not support the idea that they became completely dead in any way because of Adam's sin.
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Well you know God gives his knowledge freely
And if ye ask him truly what path is someone taking to better there wisdom of God's for knowledge .he will give it.
It just so turns out I've asked him thousands of times in the field of predestination, and waited patiently for an answer, through experience in this area of salvation also, is something I'm very aware hinders wisdom.
It's also a field I'm gifted in.
Which i thank God for.
And if ye ask him truly what path is someone taking to better there wisdom of God's for knowledge .he will give it.
It just so turns out I've asked him thousands of times in the field of predestination, and waited patiently for an answer, through experience in this area of salvation also, is something I'm very aware hinders wisdom.
It's also a field I'm gifted in.
Which i thank God for.
