the health gospel..?

If there's a possible way to offend you it seems I am one who can do that and do it with every post. I hate to even reply due to I might write something else wrong. But I started this and will stick it out and finish it.

It's just some of the things we've been told while traveling through the State of Oklahoma. When I stop for fuel or something to drink/eat I tend to ask the people around me questions. A couple of times I felt comfortable to say I feel a heaviness in this area or does the atmosphere around here always seem to be this way? And the typical response has been disturbed Burial Grounds. I've even went as far to ask do you believe that? And was told, Oh yes I do. Since I am not from there but made that trip 50 times or more I just take them at their word.

From the moment I can remember as a wee tiny boy, being in my Grandfather's church and then my Dad's and so forth. I was privy to be on a lot of hospital visits, home visits, elderly visits, etc. I cannot remember meeting a true Saint of God who had memory issues or mental illness or things we associate to extremely old. They mostly died in their sleep or on their death bed looking forward to be with Jesus while letting go of their will to live here on earth. To me, that's a true Testimony of God having Favor for His children.

Do we believe Scripture ???????

which tense is "fulfilled" in this passage, i wonder?

I'm just responding with my own experience here as a lifelong Okie with deep Okie roots. I even grew up on the Osage Reservation...near burial grounds! Lots of rich culture and history here. I embrace it. I've never felt a heavy feeling.
Even if there was a heavy feeling, I'll still stay here due to it being a very gun friendly state.

Also, I've know of people here who will tell outsiders things they want to hear or act in a way that they think people want to see. For example, a close friend of mine in high school told me an amusing story. Her father is full blood Osage. A stern looking man with black hair and brown skin. He was in the store shopping one day when he overheard a family from the UK whispering about him. "There's an Indian!" So, he stood tall and crossed his arms and put a very intense, stern look on his face. Their eyes became wide and they gasped lol. So, hey, maybe some folks here just like to play with folks and get their imaginations going

is it Biblical to claim that 'real' or 'strong' or 'competent' Christians will never get sick or be subject to any disease?

we're all familiar with the prosperity gospel and the "wealth" arguments of it are trivially destroyed. but what about the "health" part?


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I have always found you to be very eloquent, and what you describe here, both the before and after, is quite poignant. And I am certainly glad you have returned to the fold. Those days of yore sound wonderful. I hope you can find such a church family home again...

You wouldn't be connected to the Calvary Chapel Movement since you mentioned the Jesus Movement btw? I have some great friends who are Pastors in that Movement. Interesting way they do things by going through the Bible from beginning to end.

I have met Skip Heitzig and Ed Taylor and couple others.

Yes, no. Not formally as we were not a off branch. I live in Colorado Springs and like most areas it is unique in it's make up. We have Fort Carson, the Air Force Academy, Peterson Air Force Base, Space Command, Space Force, Shriver Air Force Base, and NORAD. So we are heavy on military and so it makes our town transitory.

So growing up folks would come to our town from different areas and truly through this we would be introduced to other churches across our country. So our Pastor would invite many leaders across the country to come speak to us and we would pick up various methods. Such as we were heavy on using the coffee house to witness to counterculture, like hippies. They would go downtown to Acacia Park which at that time was a place that was heavy with the drug culture.

So more or less we were just heavily influenced by other churches and movements across the country and just integrated different things to more or less take the gospel out on a mass basis to just blanket the whole area and be able to be all things to all people.

Like my dad for example he headed one of the door to door ministries. So he would actually keep records of home, not home. So they could go back in a week or two or later and make sure they knocked on all doors and spoke with everyone. Being we are a military town soon as they finished a sub-division would turn around and do it again since there might be new folks that had moved in.

Even though he was not Calvary Chapel, Chuck Missler had to be one of my favorites to hear which of course we learnt of him through them.

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That too is destroyed and one way to show the Word of faith adherents that it is destroyed is to go to 1 Peter 2:24-25. "and He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you are healed." They latch on to this verse to prove your guaranteed physical healing. No w look at vs25, "For you were continually straying like sheep, but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Guarding of your souls."

The context is obvious, it has nothing to do with physically healing. As sheep we are not straying away from getting healed physically. By His wounds we have been healed spiritually.

IN GOD THE SON,
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I listened to probably hundreds of hours of sermons by Joe Focht of CC Philly. Great content, useful and Biblically sound teaching and a wonderful down to earth pastor. Never any brow- beating, psychological manipulation/battery or angling for money. Great guy. I admire him.

And I was listening to Chuck Missler's tape series waaaay back in the nineties. Had a buddy in the design office that I traded Chuck's tapes with. Though I now think Chuck is Biblically off base in various ways, I do think that he was the spark that ignited many flames to the service of Christ. Possibly mine own as well......

Yes, no. Not formally as we were not a off branch. I live in Colorado Springs and like most areas it is unique in it's make up. We have Fort Carson, the Air Force Academy, Peterson Air Force Base, Space Command, Space Force, Shriver Air Force Base, and NORAD. So we are heavy on military and so it makes our town transitory.

So growing up folks would come to our town from different areas and truly through this we would be introduced to other churches across our country. So our Pastor would invite many leaders across the country to come speak to us and we would pick up various methods. Such as we were heavy on using the coffee house to witness to counterculture, like hippies. They would go downtown to Acacia Park which at that time was a place that was heavy with the drug culture.

So more or less we were just heavily influenced by other churches and movements across the country and just integrated different things to more or less take the gospel out on a mass basis to just blanket the whole area and be able to be all things to all people.

Like my dad for example he headed one of the door to door ministries. So he would actually keep records of home, not home. So they could go back in a week or two or later and make sure they knocked on all doors and spoke with everyone. Being we are a military town soon as they finished a sub-division would turn around and do it again since there might be new folks that had moved in.

Even though he was not Calvary Chapel, Chuck Missler had to be one of my favorites to hear which of course we learnt of him through them.

Your area has a variety of Calvary Chapel churches and Pastor Al Pittman and Eric Cartier. I listen to them and others in that area when I am traveling and in Colorado they're on radio station fm 89.7

I am Seneca. So, I don't know what this talk of influence by ancient Native Americans is? Not all Native Americans were/are the same. Some tribes were warring tribes, some were peaceful and religious, etc. None were savages.

The government moved the Seneca and other great tribes here. Even so, today I praise the Lord that I'm here! And I praise the Lord for ancient Native Americans!

"None were savages."


CarriePie, your post gave me some things to think about, so here are my thoughts.
Hope you have a great weekend.



Although it's true the U.S. government broke treaties with some of the Native Americans, just as leaders today still sink to ignorant and unconscionable things, I don't think we should allow those past events to reshape our understanding of religion and ethics. The past beliefs and actions of those tribes are not suddenly above all reproach because they were sometimes victims.

We should try to resist any modernist tendency to rewrite history whenever we feel bad about something in the past.

Many Native American tribes had complex, though pagan, systems of belief - often mixing nature worship with a kind of pantheism. That sort of belief system, by definition, is pagan. So they were indeed pagan. And as far as the word "savagery" - most human ethnic groups, at some time in their past, resorted to savagery, and we still find it in the world today. So paganism and savagery, these parts of human history which many want to distance from certain groups, are just a part of human history; they are still part of the world today; and they were certainly a part of many ancient native tribes... though we know some tribes were peaceful. History is history. Humanity is humanity. Things are just what they are. Let's just be realistic about these things, and not feel a pull to rewrite history.

There was paganism, as far as I'm aware, in all of the tribes, and savagery in at least some of them.
I don't think that makes ancient tribes particularly worse than the rest of humanity... but it does remind us they were just part of fallen humanity. They weren't magical, or above reproach. They were just fallen people, like everyone else.
(Were they mistreated? Yes. But they also mistreated others. Some of the tribes conquered, stole land, murdered, raped, tortured, terrorized, and took slaves. They participated in the same good, and bad, as the rest of humanity.)

They were just people.

They warred with each other, we warred with them, they warred with us, and people lied to each other and broke their promises.

This is what fallen humans do.

Human history is a history of fallen creatures treating each other badly, ignoring their creator, living in sin, making a mess of everything... and sometimes.... sometimes getting things right.



Let's just allow history to be what it is, and resist our modern tendencies to make it otherwise.

God Bless.

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I'll try to keep my reply short, 'cause I just don't feel like getting into this again today.
I did not say that Native American's are magical, or above reproach. I was replying to someone who mentioned ancient Native American influences.
I didn't and don't feel that Native American's should still have to be told they are/were savages. I agree that all people groups have had tribes/groups that acted savagely. But, I see people to this day believing that Native Americans were savages. People tend to focus on the bad when it comes to the tribes. Many times people lump all tribes together, which is a big error. I have an old dictionary that literary describes Native American's as savages. Here in this day and age, there are people who still consider Native Americans to be savages. I have heard this with my own ears. It makes me wince that I'm hearing this in the 21st century.

Anyway, you think how you will and I'll think how I will. Good day.

Perhaps we should be concerned that people long passed from this earth, who acted savagely, might rise from the dead and claim they're offended if we call them savages?