Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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Rufus

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8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.


They heard the Gospel and rejected it QUENCHING the Holy Spirit's attempt to Regenerate them.
"Holy Spirit's attempt"? Wow! And scripture teaches that nothing is impossible with God (Lk 1:37)...except, of course, you say it is. :rolleyes:
 

Magenta

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I always look forward to seeing your post and that wonderful childhood photo. Have you taken my suggestion and started your own company?
Thank you, Mr Po... erm, oops, I mean Brother Billy Bob! Oh? What company
was I to start? Putting Brooke Shields out of business?
.:unsure::LOL::ROFL::LOL:

I must say I do also enjoy seeing your avatar and read with interest what you have to say... .:)
 

Rufus

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One needs to be regenerated, made alive before they can hear unto Faith. In case you not aware, Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22. So explain how one without the Spirit can hear spiritually and believe ?
In the zany, heretical world of Arminianism, the [spiritual] dead have all kinds of spiritual ability.
 

selahsays

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Can you share your understanding of the process by which one acquires hearing?
Yes, I think I can. :)

Why did Jesus teach in parables? Jesus explained to His followers that He used parables for two purposes: (1) To make the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven simple and understandable for His disciples—those who study and discipline themselves and seek His Word. (2) To conceal the kingdom's mysteries from those who do not seek Him and, as a result, do not have eyes to see and ears to hear.
Matthew 13:9-15 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Mark 4:9-12 And he said unto them, he that hath ears to hear, let him hear. And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable. And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
 

Rufus

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Its the same as the Gospel is hid to the non elect lost, so they cant believe 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


The word hid kalyptō :
  1. to hide, veil
    1. to hinder the knowledge of a thing
And its in the perfect tense and passive, so its being hid from them by God, and its completed once and for all

The perfect tense means:
In Greek corresponds to the perfect tense in English, and describes an action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated

Action that has been completed in the past yet has results occurring in the present are expressed by the perfect tense

https://www.blueletterbible.org/help/greekverbs.cfm#tense

So the Gospel is hid to the non elect as a Salvation message, because they are lost forever
And to put an even finer point on what said in your paragraph describing the "perfect tense": The action that was completed "in the past" was in eternity "past" when God sovereignly decreed who his elect would be... and would not be by logical inference, since he chose to not have mercy and compassion on them, as he did with the former group.
 

Cameron143

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I always look forward to seeing your post and that wonderful childhood photo. Have you taken my suggestion and started your own company?
Forget art. You should be DJing.
 

jamessb

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Does the word of God alone produce hearing?
Of course not. There were plenty of people throughout the Biblical era and there are plenty of people now who hear/read the word of God, but unless God gives them understanding -- "ears to hear" -- it goes "in one ear and out the other".

It is obvious even on this forum that some people hear/read God's words/Word, yet they lack understanding.
 

jamessb

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Do you believe only the disciples could understand the parables?
Jesus had to explain the parables to His disciples, so clearly they didn't understand them.

Mark 4:10-14, "When he was alone, those around him with the twelve asked him about the parables. He said to them, “The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those outside, everything is in parables,

so that although they look they may look but not see,
and although they hear they may hear but not understand,
so they may not repent and be forgiven.”

He said to them, [His disciples] “Don’t you understand this parable? Then how will you understand any parable? "
 

selahsays

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Of course not. There were plenty of people throughout the Biblical era and there are plenty of people now who hear/read the word of God, but unless God gives them understanding -- "ears to hear" -- it goes "in one ear and out the other".

It is obvious even on this forum that some people hear/read God's words/Word, yet they lack understanding.
Is it because they’re not sincerely seeking God? I don’t know …
 

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Posted nine months ago and already closing in on 60 million views!!!
People are ready for something greater than themselves and to be a part of something that has meaning beyond this world. May God be disposed and inclined to let us find Him in our day.
 

Cameron143

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Jesus had to explain the parables to His disciples, so clearly they didn't understand them.
Yes, but He could explain it and they would understand it. It was said of the Pharisees that they perceived He was speaking of them, but never that they understood what He was saying.