The Torah is Still Binding and We Must Obey It

The Mosaic Law contains 613 laws. If we violate any portion of the law, then we become a lawbreaker and need to repent and return to obedience through faith. God's law came with instructions for what to His children sinned, so it never required us to have perfect obedience. The fact that we can repent after we have sinned and still be saved even when we have not had perfect obedience again demonstrates that it was not a requirement for us. It is only a requirement for someone to have perfect obedience if they are going to give themselves to pay the penalty for the sins of the world, otherwise the rest of us are able to have our sins forgiven.


The truth is that God's law is not too difficult for us to obey and that is the word of faith that I proclaim. There are many examples in the Bible of people who did keep God's law, such as with those in Joshua 22:5, Luke 1:5-6, Revelation 14:12, and Revelation 22:14.

In Deuteronomy 30:11-20, it is presented as a possibility and as a choice, not as the need for perfect obedience. Repentance doesn’t change the fact that we have not had perfect obedience, so if we needed to have perfect obedience for some strange reason, then repentance wouldn’t do us any good, but the fact that we can repent after we have not had perfect obedience and still be saved demonstrates that perfect obedience is not a requirement for salvation. Even if someone managed to have perfect obedience, then they still wouldn’t earn their salvation as a wage (Romans 4:1-5), so that is a fundamental misunderstanding of the goal of why we should obey God’s law. Our salvation is from sin (Matthew 1:21) and sin is the transgression of of God’s law (1 John 3:4), so having the experience of living in obedience to God’s law is intrinsically part of what God’s gift of salvation is, not something that we are required to have done first in order to earn it as a wage. In 1 John 3:4-10, those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to God’s law are not born again, and in Romans 8:4-14, Paul contrasted those who are born of the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to His law, so obeying God’s law through faith is the way to get born again and repent of our sin and to follow the Lord Jesus Christ.

The position that some of God's laws are not moral laws is the position that we can be acting morally while disobeying those laws, however, there are no examples in the Bible where disobedience to any of God's laws is said to be moral and I do not see justification for thinking that it can ever be moral to disobey God. Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to obey God, so all of God's laws are inherently moral laws. Legislators give laws according to what they think ought to be done, so the position that some of God's laws are not moral laws is the position that God made a moral error about what ought to be done when He gave those laws, which is claiming to have greater moral knowledge than God.

All of God's laws are either in regard to the way to love God or the way to love our neighbor, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them. So the position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that we should obey all of the other commandments that hang on them, for example, if we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit adultery, idolatry, theft, murder, kidnapping, favoritism, rape, and so forth for the rest of the Mosaic Law.

In Romans 7:14, it says that God's law is spiritual, not that some of God's laws are spiritual while others are not. In Psalms 119:160, all of God's righteous laws are eternal, so none of them will ever pass away.


In Romans 6:14, it describes the law that we aren't under as being a law where sin had dominion over us, which does not describe the Law of God, but rather it is the law of sin where sin had dominion over us. In Romans 6:15, being under grace does not mean that we are permitted to sin, and in Romans 3:20, it is by the Mosaic Law that we have knowledge of what sin is, so we are still under the Mosaic Law, but are not under the law of sin.


In Galatians 5:16-18, Paul spoke about the desires of the flesh as causing us not to do the good that we want to do, which again how he described his struggle with the law of sin in Romans 7. The Spirit is God, so it wouldn't make sense to think interpret that as saying that we aren't under the Law of God when we are led by the Spirit, especially when the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Law of God (Ezekiel 36:26-27).


In Colossians 2:14, it says nothing to distinguish between physical or spiritual ordinances.

1.) You shall not commit murder.

2.) This person has been found guilty of murder.

The first is an example of a law that is for our own good while the second is an example of a handwritten ordinance that was against someone that was nailed to their cross in order to announce why they were being executed. This fits perfectly with the list of sins that we have committed being nailed to Christ's cross and with him dying in our place to pay the penalty for our sins, but has nothing to do with nailing any laws to the cross. In Titus 2:14, it doesn't say that Jesus gave himself to free us from any laws, but in order to free us from all lawlessness.


Correctly understanding a spiritual principle will lead us to take physical actions that are examples of that principle in accordance with what God's law instructs. If someone thought that they understood the spiritual principle of love, so they did not need to take physical actions to express love for their neighbor, then they would be missing the whole point.

Indeed.

If you fail to keep just one commandment under the OT law, you are guilty of sin and will spend eternity in hell.

Since you have already failed to be literally perfect, you're pretty screwed at this point unless you get born again and repent of your sin and follow the Lord Jesus Christ rather than trying to earn your salvation by keeping the law.

Shame on you for such a boast.

“For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭2:18-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.

Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Indeed.

You directly asked me a yes or no question, so it not boasting to answer honestly.

a) I am IN CHRIST
b) CHRIST FULFILLED ALL THE LAW'S REQUIREMENTS
c) Therefore, I HAVE FULFILLED ALL THE LAW'S REQUIREMENTS

WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT BASIC FACT OF CHRISTIANITY??? => There is nothing more that we need to do!

You directly asked me a yes or no question, so it not boasting to answer honestly.

Jesus walked in obedience to the Mosaic Law and in 1 John 2:6, it says that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, not that those who are in Christ don't need to walk in the same way he walked. Moreover, 1 John 2:6 means that those who refuse to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law should not consider the verses that speak about those who are in Christ to be referring to them. It is a basic fact of Christianity that followers of Christ should follow Christ, not that followers of Christ should refuse to follow him.

At least you are making a stand for what you believe is the truth-it can be "tweaked" but standing you are against the onslaughts from Christians-no wonder the unbelievers don't want to come to the Living Messiah as they see what is going on in the somati of Christ.
Stay strong-I don't hold to everything you promulgate but you are being honed and sharpened from the thlipsis of the throngs and the peiradzo-ing from your opponents.
Stay strong in Christ-this is not real time here, online but a facade.
Shalom
J.

That was not an honest answer. You compound your dishonesty by claiming it was.

You are a false accuser who has no love for truth.

Your walk is not sinless. Therefore you do not walk as He did. Which makes you a hypocrite. Not that we did not already know that.

We do not need to die to God's instructions for how to live unto him in order to live unto him, but rather we need to die to a law that was hindering us from following those instructions, namely the law of sin. The fact that we do not earn our righteousness as the result of obeying God does not mean that we are not obligated to obey God.


All throughout the Bible, God wanted His people to repent and to return to obedience to His law, and even Christ began his ministry with that message, so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:2-4 as Paul warning us against doing that and saying that we will be cut off from Christ if we follow Christ, so you are not correctly identifying what Paul was speaking against. It should not make sense to you to interpret a servant of God as promoting rebellion against Him. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith, and this is what it means to be under grace, not the way to fall from it. It would again be absurd to interpret this as him wanting God to be gracious to him by teaching him how to fall from grace. If you're determined to misinterpret God's word as speaking against obeying God's word, then there is no shortage of verses that you can use to do that, but that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

You lie to claim you keep the Sabbath as they did in the OT. It is not possible to keep it
as they did. You hate the truth and are a false accuser, a child of your father the devil.

You think that. I am a child of the devil for standing firm that we should obey what God has commanded in accordance with Christ's example? You're being absurd.