The Torah is Still Binding and We Must Obey It
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During dialogue with a Jewish man several years ago, I was asked a very
pertinent question that went like this:
"Jesus died for your sins up to the point of your conversion. What about the
sins you are committing now?"
That's a reasonable question coming from a Jew because Levitical
atonements had to be repeated over and over again. Even Yom Kippur, the
great day of atonement, is only useful up to that point and from thence Jews
began accumulating sins towards the next Yom Kippur.
Now supposing God were to stop compiling a Jew's sins on Yom Kippur?
Well; that would be the cat's meow because the Jew would then need to
avail himself of the great day of atonement but one time only rather than
repeatedly year after year.
Well; the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God per Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy doesn't allow for God to stop
compiling His people's sins; whereas Christ's crucifixion is much better than
Yom Kippur because it does allow for God to stop.
● 2Cor 5:19 . . God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not
counting men's sins against them. (cf. Jer 30:33 & Heb 10:1-18)
The Greek word translated "counting" pertains to inventory, i.e. an indictment.
Well, needless to say; without an indictment, prosecutors have no grounds for
hauling someone into court.
* There's a bit of a moral hazard under these circumstances. Due to the fact
that Jesus' followers are on an honor system instead of a legal system, they
have an incentive to become ever more sinful; hence Paul's urging them to
cultivate self restraint.
● Rom 6:1-3 . . What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that
grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any
longer?
● Rom 6:12-14 . . Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey
its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of
wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been
brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as
instruments of righteousness.
● Gal 5:13 . .You, my brethren, were called to be free. But do not use your
freedom to indulge the sinful nature.
FAQ: If God is no longer compiling the sins of His son's followers, then
what's with 1John 1:5-10?
REPLY: God desires fellowship with His son's followers; which of course
requires transparency on their part (cf. Isa 1:18 & Ps 32:5-6)
But the important thing is: according to John 5:24 nothing Jesus' followers
do now goes in the books to be used against them later on down the road
because their sins are no longer criminal matters, instead; now they're family
matters. (cf. Num 23:21)
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During dialogue with a Jewish man several years ago, I was asked a very
pertinent question that went like this:
"Jesus died for your sins up to the point of your conversion. What about the
sins you are committing now?"
That's a reasonable question coming from a Jew because Levitical
atonements had to be repeated over and over again. Even Yom Kippur, the
great day of atonement, is only useful up to that point and from thence Jews
began accumulating sins towards the next Yom Kippur.
Now supposing God were to stop compiling a Jew's sins on Yom Kippur?
Well; that would be the cat's meow because the Jew would then need to
avail himself of the great day of atonement but one time only rather than
repeatedly year after year.
Well; the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God per Exodus,
Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy doesn't allow for God to stop
compiling His people's sins; whereas Christ's crucifixion is much better than
Yom Kippur because it does allow for God to stop.
● 2Cor 5:19 . . God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not
counting men's sins against them. (cf. Jer 30:33 & Heb 10:1-18)
The Greek word translated "counting" pertains to inventory, i.e. an indictment.
Well, needless to say; without an indictment, prosecutors have no grounds for
hauling someone into court.
* There's a bit of a moral hazard under these circumstances. Due to the fact
that Jesus' followers are on an honor system instead of a legal system, they
have an incentive to become ever more sinful; hence Paul's urging them to
cultivate self restraint.
● Rom 6:1-3 . . What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that
grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any
longer?
● Rom 6:12-14 . . Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey
its evil desires. Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of
wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been
brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as
instruments of righteousness.
● Gal 5:13 . .You, my brethren, were called to be free. But do not use your
freedom to indulge the sinful nature.
FAQ: If God is no longer compiling the sins of His son's followers, then
what's with 1John 1:5-10?
REPLY: God desires fellowship with His son's followers; which of course
requires transparency on their part (cf. Isa 1:18 & Ps 32:5-6)
But the important thing is: according to John 5:24 nothing Jesus' followers
do now goes in the books to be used against them later on down the road
because their sins are no longer criminal matters, instead; now they're family
matters. (cf. Num 23:21)
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“For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.”
Galatians 2:18-21 KJV
“Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”
Galatians 5:2-4 KJV
Galatians 2:18-21 KJV
“Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.”
Galatians 5:2-4 KJV
We do not need to die to God's instructions for how to live unto him in order to live unto him, but rather we need to die to a law that was hindering us from following those instructions, namely the law of sin. The fact that we do not earn our righteousness as the result of obeying God does not mean that we are not obligated to obey God.
All throughout the Bible, God wanted His people to repent and to return to obedience to His law, and even Christ began his ministry with that message, so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:2-4 as Paul warning us against doing that and saying that we will be cut off from Christ if we follow Christ, so you are not correctly identifying what Paul was speaking against. It should not make sense to you to interpret a servant of God as promoting rebellion against Him. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith, and this is what it means to be under grace, not the way to fall from it. It would again be absurd to interpret this as him wanting God to be gracious to him by teaching him how to fall from grace. If you're determined to misinterpret God's word as speaking against obeying God's word, then there is no shortage of verses that you can use to do that, but that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
All throughout the Bible, God wanted His people to repent and to return to obedience to His law, and even Christ began his ministry with that message, so it would be absurd to interpret Galatians 5:2-4 as Paul warning us against doing that and saying that we will be cut off from Christ if we follow Christ, so you are not correctly identifying what Paul was speaking against. It should not make sense to you to interpret a servant of God as promoting rebellion against Him. In Psalms 119:29-30, he wanted to put false ways far from him, for God to be gracious to him by teaching him to obey His law, and he chose the way of faith by setting it before him, so this has always been the one and only way of salvation by grace through faith, and this is what it means to be under grace, not the way to fall from it. It would again be absurd to interpret this as him wanting God to be gracious to him by teaching him how to fall from grace. If you're determined to misinterpret God's word as speaking against obeying God's word, then there is no shortage of verses that you can use to do that, but that doesn't stand up to scrutiny.
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Jesus walked in obedience to the Mosaic Law and in 1 John 2:6, it says that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked, not that those who are in Christ don't need to walk in the same way he walked. Moreover, 1 John 2:6 means that those who refuse to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law should not consider the verses that speak about those who are in Christ to be referring to them. It is a basic fact of Christianity that followers of Christ should follow Christ, not that followers of Christ should refuse to follow him.
At least you are making a stand for what you believe is the truth-it can be "tweaked" but standing you are against the onslaughts from Christians-no wonder the unbelievers don't want to come to the Living Messiah as they see what is going on in the somati of Christ.
Stay strong-I don't hold to everything you promulgate but you are being honed and sharpened from the thlipsis of the throngs and the peiradzo-ing from your opponents.
Stay strong in Christ-this is not real time here, online but a facade.
Shalom
J.
Stay strong-I don't hold to everything you promulgate but you are being honed and sharpened from the thlipsis of the throngs and the peiradzo-ing from your opponents.
Stay strong in Christ-this is not real time here, online but a facade.
Shalom
J.
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“We do not need to die to God's instructions for how to live unto him in order to live unto him, “
It’s a just a circle with you back to this you want this imposed on people
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
It’s really not going to affect anyone else but you though
If you choose to bear a yoke you can’t bear I hope it works out for you I don’t belong to God through a broken covenant that was meant to hold people guilty of sin I belong to God by the purchase of Jesus Christ precious blood poured out in the gospel for remission of sins
It’s a just a circle with you back to this you want this imposed on people
“Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.”
Romans 3:19-20 KJV
It’s really not going to affect anyone else but you though
If you choose to bear a yoke you can’t bear I hope it works out for you I don’t belong to God through a broken covenant that was meant to hold people guilty of sin I belong to God by the purchase of Jesus Christ precious blood poured out in the gospel for remission of sins
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“For the law was given by Moses,
but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
John 1:17 KJV
“And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept…..
And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.”
Mark 10:3-5, 11-12 KJV
but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.”
John 1:17 KJV
“And he answered and said unto them, What did Moses command you? And they said, Moses suffered to write a bill of divorcement, and to put her away.
And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept…..
And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery.”
Mark 10:3-5, 11-12 KJV