What if you die before water baptism?

I can understand that. But there are many many threads on this topic already on the forum.

I agree with you. You are right.

IF we are to "Follow Jesus" in the literal sense then we should also be circumcised, keep all the feasts etc.

Are you suggesting people in the desert have no access to water?

Baptist churches administer baptism by repeating Jesus' command, they do not obey it. Nothing changed for me either when I complied with their tradition; I was not familiar with scripture at the time. It was only after being baptized in accordance with scripture that change began taking place. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)

Jesus' comments pertain to the Spiritual rebirth. (John 3:5) Whereas, Paul is speaking about death and resurrection of the natural body. (1 Cor 15:44)

If being born is one of two conditions necessary to enter the kingdom of God. It begs the question, who are the unborn people running around that need to be informed they need to be born?

Keep in mind that human beings have no control over being born. But they do have control over being born again.

Jesus said unless a man is born AGAIN he can't see... (John 3:3)
Nicodemus asks how being born AGAIN is possible. (John 3:4)
Jesus' answer, be born of water and Spirit. (John 3:5)

Again, consider the fact that all detailed NT conversion accounts involve both water and Spirit. (Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-6, 22:16)

Silly question. I guess they COULD dump some water on the convert out of their canteen - would THAT make you happy???

MY CHANGE (when everything became new) had nothing to do with "Baptism". SO I can't relate.

A person has control over being born again? The Spirit blows where it will. Wouldn't you have to have control of the Holy Spirit to make such a claim?

We do have a 3rd century transcript and it uses imitate. That transcript is the oldest on file. I believe it outranks any opinion trying to claim it means to follow.

If it doesn’t make sense to discuss the natural birth in John 3 then shouldn’t this verse have been left out.

”That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.“
‭‭John‬ ‭3‬:‭6‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/1/jhn.3.6.KJV

You can see the tie to 1 Corinthians 15 by the terminology used. You referenced Jesus in John 3:3 and being born again.

The same terminology is used here in 1 Peter:

”Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,“
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1‬:‭3‬-‭4‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/1/1pe.1.3-4.KJV

”being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.“
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1‬:‭23‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/1/1pe.1.23.KJV

This passage from 1 Corinthians 15 also references the corruptible and incorruptible seed.

”For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?“
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15‬:‭53‬-‭55‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/1/1co.15.53-55.KJV

And again we have 1 John 5:1.

”Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.“
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5‬:‭1‬ ‭KJV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/1/1jn.5.1.KJV

If this is true as it has to be then it is impossible for the water in John 3:5 to be referring to water baptism. The two verses would contradict each other in a way that cannot be reconciled. If 1 John 5:1 was written in a way that allowed being borne of God to happen in the future after water baptism then they could coexist and both be correct. However, 1 John 5:1 says that a person who believes is already born of God.

Sadly there is no magic sentence of incantation of words that can change the heart.

There are a bunch of devils in the oneness pentecostal camps who baptize in the name of Jesus as well.

Perhaps. Depending on the transcript. But because imitating God is contrary to walking in the Spirit, I'm inclined to believe it means follow.
And it doesn't necessarily follow that older is better. It could just mean corrupted sooner.

Baptised twice? What was that about?

There must be some stinky people there if canteen water is all that's available to them. Hummm. I wonder where the water comes from to fill those canteens.

Man must make the choice to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ:

Jesus became the author of salvation unto all those who obey Him. Heb 5:9

"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, IF YE CONTINUE IN MY WORD, then are ye my disciples indeed;
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." John 8:31-32

"He who believes and is baptized shall be saved." Mark 16:15-16

"I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Luke 13:5

can man make that choice alone tho, as I think that's the problem, not enough people of the lord simply asking people.to come and be baptised.

Personaly anyone
who say They have not been saved by water baptism may not have confessed sincerely, or the person doing the baptism was not saved.


Or when an unsaved person gets baptised, perhaps it's not straight away before there saved.

Either way or which ever way you go, should anyone dishonor water baptism by saying it means nothing.

Or suggesting it doesn't save anyone.

I mean surely it must save people according to this

Peter replied, “Each of you must repent of your sins and turn to God, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.


I mean why disrespect this verse, obviously not you but others 🤔

I mean what's the deal here, I don't get it

The apostles didn't water baptize any other way.

I was encouraged by preachers to be prayed for that I might receive the Holy Spirit. And then instructed to be baptised.

No one explained to me about the inward work of repentance and full surrender to God through His Son Jesus Christ.

I became aware that the apostles only administered water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. As such, I made the decision to obey what is recorded in the word.

I was oblivious to the fact that water baptism administered using the phrase Father, Son and Holy Ghost is a tradition begun by the forerunners of the Roman Catholic church. The change took place around 325 A.D. This is easily confirmed through a search of the Internet, and a vast number of church history encyclopedia's reference the change as well.

It's a Godly sorrow that leads men to repentance. Another act of God on behalf of men.
Acts 2:37...is it the work of God or men?