Foolish NATO generals want war, not peace

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

gb9

Senior Member
Jan 18, 2011
12,309
6,684
113
#61
If so, then for defend, but not for attack. This has to be distinguish! An attack would be lächerlich.
russia is not going to attack europe.

that is propaganda.

just like the covid numbers!! (y)
 

ZNP

Well-known member
Sep 14, 2020
36,575
6,696
113
#62
russia is not going to attack europe.

that is propaganda.

just like the covid numbers!! (y)
Well, if I was France I would get ready, perhaps buy a bottle of vodka as a gift for invading soldiers. I expect 2024 to turn up the heat a lot higher than it is now.
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
26,074
13,774
113
#63
that is propaganda.
Yes it is. Russia has no designs on Western Europe. They were actually supplying Western Europe with oil and gas, and would have been glad to continue doing that.

But when you think about it carefully, all the countries along the Western border of Russia should be held accountable for Russian aggression in Crimea and Ukraine. Knowing the history of the Soviet Union, the nature of the Russian "Bear", and the later annexation of Georgia, Chechnya, and Moldova, they had a responsibility to put together a defense alliance and a defense barrier along that border long before 2014, and long after 2014. But they all just sat back and did nothing. Now the West wants to provoke a war directly with Russia, since the proxy war through Ukraine has failed. And they want a civilian army to battle nuclear weapons!
 

wolfwint

Senior Member
Feb 15, 2014
3,759
936
113
62
#64
russia is not going to attack europe.

that is propaganda.

just like the covid numbers!! (y)
If you compare this with covid, then russia will attack Europe.
 

wolfwint

Senior Member
Feb 15, 2014
3,759
936
113
62
#65
Yes it is. Russia has no designs on Western Europe. They were actually supplying Western Europe with oil and gas, and would have been glad to continue doing that.

But when you think about it carefully, all the countries along the Western border of Russia should be held accountable for Russian aggression in Crimea and Ukraine. Knowing the history of the Soviet Union, the nature of the Russian "Bear", and the later annexation of Georgia, Chechnya, and Moldova, they had a responsibility to put together a defense alliance and a defense barrier along that border long before 2014, and long after 2014. But they all just sat back and did nothing. Now the West wants to provoke a war directly with Russia, since the proxy war through Ukraine has failed. And they want a civilian army to battle nuclear weapons!
I am often agree with your biblical view. But europe is not provoke a war. This is propaganda! It is not able for that. But europe has to defend. Putin dreams still from a reuined white russia, and ucraine. And this can include the baltic states. This then would means war with the NATO.
 

Susanna

Well-known member
Apr 14, 2023
1,603
522
113
48
Galveston and Houston
#66
The position many Americans have taken was very uncommon only a few years ago. These last few years a great number of Americans have sided with the regime in Russia. Putin’s propaganda efforts have been successful. Even here on CC people have been duped by his disinformation.
 

wolfwint

Senior Member
Feb 15, 2014
3,759
936
113
62
#67
The position many Americans have taken was very uncommon only a few years ago. These last few years a great number of Americans have sided with the regime in Russia. Putin’s propaganda efforts have been successful. Even here on CC people have been duped by his disinformation.
But why? America is known as Land of freedom. While russia stands for an Land of unfreedom.
 

Susanna

Well-known member
Apr 14, 2023
1,603
522
113
48
Galveston and Houston
#68
But why? America is known as Land of freedom. While russia stands for an Land of unfreedom.
People have been free for so long that they have forgotten that they are free and what being free is all about.

They are now annoyed by people holding other opinions and believes people who hold different opinions are evil.

A strong leader like Putin knows how to suppress people’s opinions, and that seems to have a certain appeal to many people here in America. At least on the extreme left/right.
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

Well-known member
Feb 17, 2023
1,931
1,116
113
#69
The position many Americans have taken was very uncommon only a few years ago. These last few years a great number of Americans have sided with the regime in Russia. Putin’s propaganda efforts have been successful. Even here on CC people have been duped by his disinformation.

The Bible says that in the last days Russia and China (the kings of the North and East) will fight back against the one-world government and the globalists know this.

The globalists are trying to scare the US into thinking that Russia and China are the real enemies so that the US will side with that one-world government (right now the EU/UN/NATO), perhaps even give US power over to it (as part of the 10 kings that give the antichrist their power for one hour). I think that's what will happen.

I'm not taking any sides with any country but I can see why they do what they do to protect/keep or gain power.


🦐
 

Moses_Young

Well-known member
Sep 15, 2019
9,982
5,542
113
#70
russia is not going to attack europe.

that is propaganda.

just like the covid numbers!! (y)
I wouldn't be so sure. Europe basically attacked Russia (with the US and its minions). There may well be recompense, but hopefully more for the treasonous government bureaucrats, rather than the people enslaved by them.
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
26,074
13,774
113
#71
A strong leader like Putin knows how to suppress people’s opinions, and that seems to have a certain appeal to many people here in America.
And what do you think Biden and his gang of thugs have been doing , with help from Big Tech and the MSM? Everyone knows that Twitter was weaponized by the Left, and even now it is still censoring the truth (when it does not suit Musk). And before that with the COVID Scamdemic? The truth was being suppressed daily, and is even now being suppressed by the failing media. That is even worse than anything Putin does, since America is supposed to be morally superior.
 

Susanna

Well-known member
Apr 14, 2023
1,603
522
113
48
Galveston and Houston
#72
And what do you think Biden and his gang of thugs have been doing , with help from Big Tech and the MSM? Everyone knows that Twitter was weaponized by the Left, and even now it is still censoring the truth (when it does not suit Musk). And before that with the COVID Scamdemic? The truth was being suppressed daily, and is even now being suppressed by the failing media. That is even worse than anything Putin does, since America is supposed to be morally superior.
What I was saying isn’t related to Biden. It is about Putin. Having that said, there has been some loud praising of Putin and Russia from people professing to be both Christian and conservative. I’m more than baffled by that kind of behavior
 

Moses_Young

Well-known member
Sep 15, 2019
9,982
5,542
113
#73
What I was saying isn’t related to Biden. It is about Putin. Having that said, there has been some loud praising of Putin and Russia from people professing to be both Christian and conservative. I’m more than baffled by that kind of behavior
I believe Putin is an evil man. But some of the things he has not tolerated (e.g. transgender agenda and normalisation of sodomy) and some of the things he has encouraged (church and family) are those things a good man would do.

The complaint is probably better put that the so-called enemy of the free world (Putin) is doing more of what the "free world" truly want (at least at face value), than the so-called leader of it (Biden).
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
26,074
13,774
113
#74
What I was saying isn’t related to Biden. It is about Putin.
You can't isolate Biden from this discussion about Putin. Had Biden been 1/4th of a legitimate president, he would have made every effort to meet personally with Putin and call for a true between America and Russia. That's what Trump would have done. As long as Trump was president, Putin avoided a direct confrontation with the USA. But it was Biden who chose to wage a proxy war against Russia through Ukraine. Not one of his sanctions made any difference. Not one of his billions of dollars to Ukraine made any difference. Not one of his armaments to Ukraine made any difference. And actually Putin is morally superior to Biden by the very fact that he is not a traitor to his country.
 

Moses_Young

Well-known member
Sep 15, 2019
9,982
5,542
113
#76
Saying Putin is morally superior raises several red flags on your part.
Let the red flags be raised. I call it as it is. Anyone encouraging children to be taught by sodomites in hopes that they will be convinced to undergo irreversible genital mutilation, in addition to all the other problems pushed by traitors in the West should hopefully raise more red flags for you than claiming Putin got some of these issues right. I'm certainly no Communist, but credit to evil dictators where credit is due.
 

Nehemiah6

Senior Member
Jul 18, 2017
26,074
13,774
113
#77
Saying Putin is morally superior raises several red flags on your part.
Who's the traitor? Who sent billions of dollars to the sworn enemies of America only to have then attack Americans?

There's no doubt that had Biden and Obama not sent billions to the mullahs in Iran, (1) Hamas would have been non-existent and could not have attacked Israel like they did. (2) the Houthis of Yemen would not have had the means or the guts to destroy international shipping with the support of Iran, and (3) Iran would not have attacked Americans as it did recently. Iran was know to be a state sponsor of international terrorism, and these American traitors deliberately gave aid and comfort to Iran. In view of that Putin is morally superior since his only goal is to promote the interests of Russia.
 

Susanna

Well-known member
Apr 14, 2023
1,603
522
113
48
Galveston and Houston
#78
Who's the traitor? Who sent billions of dollars to the sworn enemies of America only to have then attack Americans?

There's no doubt that had Biden and Obama not sent billions to the mullahs in Iran, (1) Hamas would have been non-existent and could not have attacked Israel like they did. (2) the Houthis of Yemen would not have had the means or the guts to destroy international shipping with the support of Iran, and (3) Iran would not have attacked Americans as it did recently. Iran was know to be a state sponsor of international terrorism, and these American traitors deliberately gave aid and comfort to Iran. In view of that Putin is morally superior since his only goal is to promote the interests of Russia.
That doesn’t change the facts regarding Putin. Are you into dictators?
 

Susanna

Well-known member
Apr 14, 2023
1,603
522
113
48
Galveston and Houston
#79
Let the red flags be raised. I call it as it is. Anyone encouraging children to be taught by sodomites in hopes that they will be convinced to undergo irreversible genital mutilation, in addition to all the other problems pushed by traitors in the West should hopefully raise more red flags for you than claiming Putin got some of these issues right. I'm certainly no Communist, but credit to evil dictators where credit is due.
Putin just need the support of the Orthodox Church and the conservatives. He couldn’t care less about whether people are in the alphabet section or not.
 

Moses_Young

Well-known member
Sep 15, 2019
9,982
5,542
113
#80
Putin just need the support of the Orthodox Church and the conservatives. He couldn’t care less about whether people are in the alphabet section or not.
Be that as it may, he is not openly supporting the perverts, whereas Biden and the uniparty are. Isn't it better for a leadership to need the support of the church and conservatives, than one which openly works against them?