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remember what we were talking about with Daniel and that design how each time it’s not about a different event but you just overlay it and it adds further details of the same narrative ?

daniel wrote in about 600 -700 bc the gospel came about 40-50 ad that’s appx 650-700 years of world history that occured involving the land of Israel beginning with babylons siege in daniels day when he was a young israelite along with shadrach meshach and abednego when they were taken captive and Jerusalem was besieged

babylon , then media Persia had a reign for a time first both then only Persia , the. Greece’s d Alexander the Great afyer he died there was much conflict because his kingdom was divided into four major regions he had controlled almost all the ancient world now it was divided between four generals of Greece who served under Alexander and there was conflict of course

those conflicts eventually resulted in tbe Roman Empire being more consolidated and powerful than the four had been for hundred of years of fighting each other became tbat technologically advanced and powerful and destructive nation and kingdom Daniel kept seeing destroying Jerusalem and the people

Even chapter eleven and 12 ties into it it’s about the conflicts of the Babylonian media Persian and Grecian forces which led to Romes dominion and power and eventually lead to Jesus death and Jerusalems desolation.

“And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia. And a mighty king shall stand up, that shall rule with great dominion, and do according to his will. ( Alexander the Great of Greece ) And when he shall stand up, his kingdom shall be broken, and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven; and not to his posterity, nor according to his dominion which he ruled: for his kingdom shall be plucked up, even for others beside those.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭11:2-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Fortresses everywhere.One of them was even attacked in Daniel 11:7.But you didn't see that either.

So you agree Luke 21:8-36 has not been fulfilled yet.thank you for making that clear.It sounded as though you were trying to say it was already fulfilled in your previous post.

I haven't been in the military but I grew up on military bases and towns. My father and 5 uncles were in the military. One of my brothers served as well. Plus, I had G I Joe action figures with the kung fu grip. So...pretty familiar with the military. Oh,oh, plus my haircut was high and tight until high school and my dad would do snap inspections to make sure my skivvies were ironed properly. Does this give me bona fides?

I was probably watching Gilligan's Island reruns so I might have missed that one.

“So you agree Luke 21:8-36 has not been fulfilled yet”

parts of it haven’t like21 should be considered along side mark 13 and Matthew 24 itnis theee witnesses of that particular sermon Jesus told his disciples about after he left what would happen to them in that generation

If you do look at all three witneses you can see Jesus is talking about an immediate future for Jerusalem and then also a long range future regarding the end of the world and his return

“And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.


And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, ( 1 question )when shall these things be? ( Jerusalems destruction )

and ( 2 ) what shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the world?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember Matthew was actually present during this sermon Luke’s account t is based on eye witnesses and the concensus as well as his own early conversion to Christianity

But Matthew 24 Luke 21 and mark 13 should be studied together carefully because he’s laying out the immediate future of Jerusalem regarding daniels prophecy of its desolation and then the end of the world and his return it’s hard to seperate it out if We only read one account

You can see Jesus is speaking of two times the near and also distant

But we are talking about all things which are written being fulfilled.
First you say all things which are written in Luke 21:22 were fulfilled in 70 ad then you say they are not.

Make up your mind .Are all things written in Luke 21 fulfilled or not?


Luke 21
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

I was probably watching Gilligan's Island reruns so I might have missed that one.

Now,understanding why the two witnesses are removed from Jesus's kingdom at the time he is to receive it, should tell you something about those two.

Mathew 13:41-42

41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.



I've tried to get people to understand a follower of Christ is not supposed to kill and torment other people as the two witnesses of Jesus do,but I can't get anyone to understand me.And revelation 11 makes it very clear that their Lord was crucified.
Not all of Jesus servants are doing what they should be doing when Christ comes and some are doing what they are commanded not to do.


Mathew 24:48-51
But suppose that servant is wicked and says in his heart, ‘My master will be away a long time.’
And he begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards.
The master of that servant will come on a day he does not expect and at an hour he does not anticipate.
Then he will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

So you believe all was fulfilled in 70 ad and the son of man came in the clouds then.I recon you don't have much to look forward to.

Luke 21:8-36

8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

19 In your patience possess ye your souls.

20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory

28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;

30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.

33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.

35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

I am not a Preterist.

Jesus did not return in the first century. In fact, Jesus will not return until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

As you quoted earlier, I also believe the following is true.

Luke 21:25
There will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, people fainting from fear and the expectation of the things that are coming upon the world; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

rev 1 says they seen the man coming on the clouds.

Who is they

“So you agree Luke 21:8-36 has not been fulfilled yet”

parts of it haven’t like21 should be considered along side mark 13 and Matthew 24 itnis theee witnesses of that particular sermon Jesus told his disciples about after he left what would happen to them in that generation

If you do look at all three witneses you can see Jesus is talking about an immediate future for Jerusalem and then also a long range future regarding the end of the world and his return

“And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.


And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, ( 1 question )when shall these things be? ( Jerusalems destruction )

and ( 2 ) what shall be the sign of thy coming and of the end of the world?”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

remember Matthew was actually present during this sermon Luke’s account t is based on eye witnesses and the concensus as well as his own early conversion to Christianity

But Matthew 24 Luke 21 and mark 13 should be studied together carefully because he’s laying out the immediate future of Jerusalem regarding daniels prophecy of its desolation and then the end of the world and his return it’s hard to seperate it out if We only read one account

You can see Jesus is speaking of two times the near and also distant

Rev 1 states He is coming, not that He has arrived.

But we are talking about all things which are written being fulfilled.

Yes…… when Jesus said that the old testement was all that had been written 🙂 context is important the New Testament hadn’t been written or even preached thoroughly yet whenjesus said that did you notice when he first said “ only preach the gospel to osrael
Not to gentiles ?

Then after they rejected him he said preach the gospel to all people baotize then all ?

the Old Testament is written through and to exclusively isreel and Jerusalem is important and a main theme of prophecy because of the temple and thier inheritance

Thier covenant was waiting for this

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. The Lord sent a word into Jacob, and it hath lighted upon Israel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭9:6-8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

they heard about the arrival of Jesus for hundreds of years beforehand we have heard about the return of Jesus for hundreds of years now

There are two testaments one focuses on israel the other on the earth

aim 70 ad Jerusalem was utterly destroyed burned and broken the temple stripped and leveled for its gold in the end the world is going to suffer this same fate

“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jerusalems fate is a warning to the world to repent before it’s too late

Do you think the two witnesses are evil? No, Shilohsfoal; the only reason these two witnesses are here on earth is to bear witness for God. The "sackcloth" suggests that their sole mission will be to remind people of their sins.

Also take note of the fact that the two witnesses' times are expressed in days. These witnesses bear the message of God, and they are children of light. The 1,260 days of the two witnesses and the forty-two months of Antichrist described in Daniel 9 are identical.

Let’s read about God’s two witnesses:

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

- Revelation 11:3-13 (KJV)

—selah

So you are claiming that everything in the Old testament was fulfilled in 70 ad.You believe the stars of heaven have already fallen to the earth and the heavens have been rolled up like a scroll?

After all,it's in the old testament.


Isaiah 34:4
All the stars in the sky will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; all the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, like shriveled figs from the fig tree.


Mathew 24

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Revelation 6
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

So you believe it's good for christians like the two witnesses to kill and torment other people.
You believe they are obeying Jesus commands to turn the other cheek and pray for their enemies by tormenting and killing people?


Do you teach other people that it is a christians responsibility to torment men women and children for Jesus?

Rev 1 states He is coming, not that He has arrived.

It is not easy for people to see.

Most folk only read Matthew's account, so they are waiting for the temple to be rebuilt.

It is not easy for people to see.

Most folk only read Matthew's account, so they are waiting for the temple to be rebuilt.

Hello, Shiloh…. but all the scriptures you’ve posted are prophetic.

I believe the Word of God. Do you not understand the scriptures?