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Shilohsfoal

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selahsays said:
Hello, Shiloh…. but all the scriptures you’ve posted are prophetic.

I believe the Word of God. Do you not understand the scriptures?
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You should spend a little time reading the gospel and learn what Jesus commands his witnesses to do.

Mathew 5

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.





The two witnesses who disobey Christ on a daily basis should have spent more time reading the gospel and practicing Jesus commands Insted of killing and tormenting people.
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
Yes I believe scripture and it's says the two witnesses kill and torment other people.
That's why they are killed ,because they torment people.

They are not killed for preaching the gospel or doing good.Scripture does not say they do anything good.They kill and torment other people.
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Read it again, Shiloh. It is the Antichrist that kills the two witnesses. This is prophecy for the very end right before Jesus Christ returns at the 7th trump.

Let’s once again read with understanding all about God’s two witnesses.

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

- Revelation 11:3-13 (KJV)
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
You should spend a little time reading the gospel and learn what Jesus commands his witnesses to do.

Mathew 5

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.





The two witnesses who disobey Christ on a daily basis should have spent more time reading the gospel and practicing Jesus commands Insted of killing and tormenting people.
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You’re misapplying scripture context. The scriptures In Matthew 5 have nothing to do with the two witnesses. You must read with understanding, Shiloh.
 
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Shilohsfoal

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I haven't been in the military but I grew up on military bases and towns. My father and 5 uncles were in the military. One of my brothers served as well. Plus, I had G I Joe action figures with the kung fu grip. So...pretty familiar with the military. Oh,oh, plus my haircut was high and tight until high school and my dad would do snap inspections to make sure my skivvies were ironed properly. Does this give me bona fides?
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Speaking of GIJoe and keeping on the topic of the thread,Have you noticed the two witnesses and the armed forces in Daniel 11:31 show up in Israel during the same time period?

I believe the two witnesses have kung fu grip just like Joe.

Revelation 11
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.


Fire commands are oral orders issued by leaders to focus and distribute fires as required achieving decisive effects against the enemy. They allow leaders to rapidly and concisely articulate their firing instructions using a standard format (Refer to TC 3-20.31-4 for more information).



You just need finding christians doing the strangest things sometimes.
 
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Shilohsfoal

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selahsays said:
Read it again, Shiloh. It is the Antichrist that kills the two witnesses. This is prophecy for the very end right before Jesus Christ returns at the 7th trump.

Let’s once again read with understanding all about God’s two witnesses.

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will. And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth. And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

- Revelation 11:3-13 (KJV)
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No.It does not say it is the antichrist that kills the two witnesses.Be careful not to add the word antichrist to whomever you want or you will miss the true word of God.

It is the beast that ascends out of the abyss that kills the two witnesses.Not the antichrist or the beast that came out of the sea.

And pay better attention to the amount of time the two witnesses stay in jerusalem.42 months is the same amount of time the beast from.the sea continues before the coming of Christ.42 months the false prophet has to kill and toment other people while everyone in Israel recieve the mark of the beast from.the sea.

Then the beast from the abyss attacks and kill the two witnesses who have been tormenting and killing people.
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
No.It does not say it is the antichrist that kills the two witnesses.Be careful not to add the word antichrist to whomever you want or you will miss the true word of God.

It is the beast that ascends out of the abyss that kills the two witnesses.Not the antichrist or the beast that came out of the sea.

And pay better attention to the amount of time the two witnesses stay in jerusalem.42 months is the same amount of time the beast from.the sea continues before the coming of Christ.42 months the false prophet has to kill and toment other people while everyone in Israel recieve the mark of the beast from.the sea.

Then the beast from the abyss attacks and kill the two witnesses who have been tormenting and killing people.
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The beast IS Satan; he IS the Antichrist, Shiloh.

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

- Revelation 12:7-9 (KJV)
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
Revelation 11

12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven


Revelation 14
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:
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This is the key: If any man worship the beast and his image,

The mark of the beast is about worship. Is our allegiance/worship to God or to something else.

Jesus defined false worship and that is keeping our rules over the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments -He called that worshipping in vain. Mat 15:3-9 Mark 7:7-13

Versus what scripture shows as the fruit of a saved person (true worship)

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Compared to the verse before

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
 
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Shilohsfoal

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selahsays said:
You’re misapplying scripture context. The scriptures In Matthew 5 have nothing to do with the two witnesses. You must read with understanding, Shiloh.
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The words of Jesus Christ who is Lord of all christians including the two witnesses apply to those two witnesses and all witnesses of Jesus.

Jesus is Lord of those two witnesses.They had better do as their Lord commands or they may find themselves in a very bad place.


Revelation 11:8
Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city—which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt—where also their Lord was crucified.
 
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selahsays said:
The beast IS Satan; he IS the Antichrist, Shiloh.

And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

- Revelation 12:7-9 (KJV)
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There are three beasts in revelation.
 
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SabbathBlessing said:
This is the key: If any man worship the beast and his image,

The mark of the beast is about worship. Is our allegiance/worship to God or to something else.

Jesus defined false worship and that is keeping our rules over the commandments of God quoting from the Ten Commandments -He called that worshipping in vain. Mat 15:3-9 Mark 7:7-13

Versus what scripture shows as the fruit of a saved person (true worship)

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Compared to the verse before

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
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The word worship simply means to love and adore something.To think highly of it.

Some people worship money.Other people worship Israel.There are numerous things people can worship.
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
The word worship simply means to love and adore something.To think highly of it.

Some people worship money.Other people worship Israel.There are numerous things people can worship.
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I would consider what Jesus called it as that is what matters. We should want to do the opposite of worshipping in vain, what Jesus condemned Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 and that would be keeping His commandments through love and faith. Rev 14:12
 
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selahsays said:
Scripture please.
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There are two beast in revelation13
The first beast comes out of the sea,the second beast has two horns like a lamb
Two horns just like thee are two witnesses.
Revelation 13:1
Revelation 13:11


The last beast comes up out of the abyss.
Revelation 11:7
 
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SabbathBlessing said:
I would consider what Jesus called it as that is what matters. We should want to do the opposite of worshipping in vain, what Jesus condemned Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 and that would be keeping His commandments through love and faith. Rev 14:12
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I agree.Worship God and keep the commandments .
The two witnesses of Jesus in revelation 11 do the exact opposite of everything Jesus taught in the gospel.
They are two bad ,bad boys.
 
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Shilohsfoal

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selahsays said:
flat out WRONG, @Shilohsfoal

All I can sincerely advise you to do at this point is STUDY and pray for understanding.
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No I'm not.There will be plenty of people who are raised only to be cast into a lake of fire.

That's why it is very important to do what Jesus commands and fear God.The fear of God is the beginning of knowledge.
 
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Shilohsfoal said:
I agree.Worship God and keep the commandments .
The two witnesses of Jesus in revelation 11 do the exact opposite of everything Jesus taught in the gospel.
They are two bad ,bad boys.
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The two witness are the Word of God- the Old and New Testament. I'll provide scripture study a little later as I am short for time.
 
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