TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

“Why did he say let the reader understand. if it was the people he spoke to? “

because he was speaking to people who had the prophets and read them daily the prophets and law is Israel’s national history and culture he was talking about daniels prophecy ….


“I take God at his word. When he says something would happen it will.”


Yeah we agree on that part it’s just that some won’t listen to what he’s said.


“So when you take literal prophecy and proclaim they will nto literally come true. Then no. You have noting for me..”

lol what part are you talking about ? The destruction of Jerusalem and its temple that happened 2000 years ago ? Is that what hasn’t happened yet or ? Maybe this part didn’t happen yet ?

“And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:

and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭12:1-2‬ ‭


“and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand then let them which be in Judæa flee into the mountains: let him which is on the house top not come down to take any thing out of his house: neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: for then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:15-21‬ ‭

that happened in 67-70 ad Jerusalem was besieged and destroyed by rome it’s temple eas destroyed and hasn’t been rebuilt in 2000 years

Im not even sure what you are claiming hasn’t happened yet lol

The temple being rebuilt by God ? Is that the one ?

“Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. But he spake of the temple of his body.”
‭‭John‬ ‭2:19, 21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It seems like your waiting for isralites to build God a temple song is spirit can come and appear in the center of it maybe they could sacrifice bulls and goats again so they could be reminded of thier sins If they rebuilt a temple I suppose maybe they could annoy t some new levite preists that can’t atone for sin

He’s already in his temple

“Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things,

as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.

But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭8:1-2, 4-6‬ ‭

your still looking at this world

“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.”
‭‭John‬ ‭18:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

But indeed this isnt for you your waiting for man to beyond a building but drastically missing the word of God

“Now therefore ye ( gentiles ) are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; and are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; in whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: in whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:19-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

there’s no use for a temple God lives in us there’s no need for a temple on the new world we’re promised God himself will walk among us

again to be clear yes Gods word is true I think you don’t understand it is my position not that Gods word is wrong but your interpretation of it is wrong

God already raised up his temple he’s never going to return to earth and dwell in a building made of rock and layered with gold that was only ever a pattern til Jesus came forth with reality

Your looking at the world and Old Testament not the kingdom of God

“Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.


… For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:1, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The temple tbey made was only a figure and pattern of the true temple in heaven it isn’t about the Old Testament anymore that’s all fulfilled

Rev17:8 "... when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet shall be [future tense]."

...who / what could THAT be? ("and IS NOT" when written)

TheDivineWatermark said:
Rev17:8 "... when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet shall be [future tense]."

...who / what could THAT be? ("and IS NOT" when written)

Tell us

Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Jesus is our high priest. Ordained of God

No where in scripture does it say Jesus will be priest in an Earthly Temple.

You didn't follow the direction of the conversation. No worries, I've only skimmed through the comments in trying to catch up, and I'd always struggled with comprehension when speed reading.

Scripture refers to the holy place as that where the altar was, also known as the outer court, I think... At any rate, even if it was in the inner court, I'm not that familiar with the temple design to recall by rote, it wasn't the Holy of Holies because the Holy of Holies is called the Holy of Holies, because God's presence was there.

And, though I even less familiar with the legends of Mohammed, I do even if vaguely recall he supposedly ascended to heaven (and I daresay that is dubbing oneself god to even suggest one could or has ascended to heaven; isn't there only one that has ascended, that is him that has descended?) from the site of dome of the rock, which is also considered the rock, or altar, where Abraham intended to offer up Isaac.

Anyway, you had expressed an opinion, that I saw in my skimming, that there must be a third temple because there has to be a place the oad can stand in. However, that implies that the temple ruins can no longer be consider as anything holy, but I'm not convinced that that ground can be deemed made 'unholy' even by desecration. Moses, and his successor Joshua, were both told, 'remove thy sandals from off they feet, for this ground is holy," and even now, even hundreds and thousands of years later, I'd think that spot, even if we do not know the whereabouts of, is yet 'holy' considering that, at least once, God stood there.

The abomination of desolation can ONLY be placed in the holy place. That is where the arc of the covenant is, and where the priest makes atonement for the sin of the people.

Jesus said when you see this abominable object standing in the holy place. then run.

There must be a holy place inner room for there to be an abomination of desolation.

The dome of the rock is not the place of the temple. it stands inside the old fortress antonia..

lol, that's real close,,,,

Who received the deadly wound by the sword and when and then later was healed by those dwelling on the earth? I wont say it it's best I have noticed to let others see it their own selves that way they also see the error in what they have done/are doing(think OP)...

Where would you run to ?

They are told to run to the mountains. get out of Jerusalem.. Actually if you read rev 12. God promises to protect them while they are there.

yes but thats those people in the land of the treacherous Isreal, where would you run to

He is talking to the people in the land of Israel

I do not think I will be here. but even if I am, God never promised to protect me, I will be out doing Gods work. and probably by killed because of it..

well I said that scripture was for the land of Isreal but it's not.

You are mistaken the land of Isreal is everywhere now 🙂

Where will you run to

Not sure where you got your info from, But your wrong.

The land promised to Abraham is in what was known as the land of Canaan in the the middle east. And that is where the temple will be that is defiled by an abominable object..

I thought Abraham reached the promise land 🤔 and christians around the world are citizens of that promised land.

Was it meaningless for him to tell them when he would return. even though they would never witness it?


Actually he did it twice before. One by Babylon, and once by Assyria. if you read Lef 26, You will see it happened just as God said it would..



No. Because all flesh was not threatened, and it was not the greatest tribulation from that time. WW1 and WW2 were far greater..



The old covenant ended the day Jesus died. Why do you think it was in AD 70?

This is not about the old covenant anyway. It is about an event that would happen on the earth.


As for the end, What did the disciples ask.

3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying,

“Tell us, when will these things be? And

what will be the sign of Your coming, and of

the end of the age?”

they asked three questions.

The end of the age he asked first.. When he gives all the signs, Including wars and rumers of wars. nation rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom.. This is alot of future in view.. And even then, he says the e4nd is not yet.

He then talks about the event in the future that would lead them to the actual events leading up to the end of the age.. The abomination of desolation and the great tribulation.

He finally answers the question about his return.

After the abomination of desolation. The world will see him coming in the cloud and morn.

The end of the age is in question.. And the time of his return.

And vs 4 - 14 are events which will come before any of these events take place.

Those events did not take place between the time jesus spoke these words and AD 70.. Just another reason to reject the view it has already happened

Yes. There is this continuous cycle of rebellion, followed by retribution, that leads to repentance and finally restoration. But Israel never lived well in blessing and eventually there would arise a generation that knew not the Lord which would fall into sin and the cycle would begin again.

Actually Abraham never received it. He was told his ancestors would be strangers in a strange land for 400 years. before they would recieve it.

The promised land your talking about has been for everyone since adam. its not specially given just to abraham and the nation which came from him.

This all makes a lot of sense, however what do you make of 2 Thessalonians 2:4?
"
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

This man is said to be killed at the appearing of the Lord, which cannot be in AD70 as Jesus did not return then.

Or are you saying 2 Thess 2:4 is talking about something different than Matthew 24:15 abomination of desolation?