TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

[iamsoandso]

Not sure I'm following what you mean by the risen Lord. In 1:18 Jesus is described as...He that liveth, and was dead. I wasn't really making a point by adding risen. I could have as easily have left it off. But Jesus is the firstfruit of a new humanity. There is neither Jew or Greek but the new man. What His glorified body is like the Bible gives little information. It seems able to consume and digest food and feels much the same. But it also may be able to pass through walls.
The 1st century destruction of Israel is the result of God's cup of wrath finally being full. As you have said, God brought judgment upon Israel for their disobedience under Babylon, then Persia, then Greece, and finally under Rome. All along they would kill the prophets and servants of God. And now they are about to kill His Son. This will be the proverbial last straw that will provoke God to destroy the temple and end His covenant with Israel. Jesus explains all this in Matthew 23:29-38.
Rome itself is just God's instrument of destruction and wrath. It is also under Roman rule that the eternal kingdom begins. Wonder what that could be.

First I was curious about the Lords body(flesh bones body) in that in John 20 I was curious if you thought he was physically/literally raised from the dead and if that was what ascended into the Heaven in Acts 1. In Acts 2 Peter is describing a literal physical resurrection of the Lord (flesh not seeing decay) and is pointing out that David is still in his tomb but has hope in his heart,soul flesh of the same(Davids not resurrected at that point in time but is in hope of it)... https://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/2.htm

In the revolt(throwing off of the servitude of the fourth beast servitude) why do you think Paul states in Romans 13 that the authority(fourth beast at that time) was to be looked at as "ordained by God" if that allotted time frame had expired? Why is Paul saying to honor their rule if the fourth beast rule had been fulfilled by the Jews" https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/13.htm

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

How do you know something didn't happen like that before the temple was destroyed?
And does it make a place holy because someone believes it is or because God's presence is found there?

By this logic ^ , I'm wondering... do you believe Jesus or "God's presence" was found there ("in the holy place" [on earth]) in the events surrounding 70ad?

Or, had Jesus already ascended up to Heaven some [near-]40 years earlier (Acts 1)?




Following my logic, here...?




("where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God" - Col3:1)

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Something I think alot of people miss is that bringing in a new covenant means the old covenant is gone. This means that those under the covenant will be placed on the balance and accounts settled under the former agreement. When God settled with Israel as a nation, they were found wanting. They didn't fulfill the agreement and God had no choice but to exact justice according to the contract.

right the old covenant is according to what’s written in the legal and binding agreement of the mediator and the conditions therin

“Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;

a blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:

and a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭11:

If a person just follows what they did in the Bible we can see a clear and plain story and why that contract was kept as it was

a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.”

“And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and served Baalim: and they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themselves unto them, and provoked the LORD to anger.

And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.

….Nevertheless the LORD raised up judges, which delivered them out of the hand of those that spoiled them. And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them: they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of the LORD; but they did not so.

And when the LORD raised them up judges, then the LORD was with the judge, and delivered them out of the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge: for it repented the LORD because of their groanings by reason of them that oppressed them and vexed them.


And it came to pass, when the judge was dead, that they returned, and corrupted themselves more than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them, and to bow down unto them; they ceased not from their own doings, nor from their stubborn way.

And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel; and he said, Because that this people hath transgressed my covenant which I commanded their fathers, and have not hearkened unto my voice; I also will not henceforth drive out any from before them of the nations which Joshua left when he died: that through them I may prove Israel, whether they will keep the way of the LORD to walk therein, as their fathers did keep it, or not.”
‭‭Judges‬ ‭2:11-13, 16-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

No one sees that what they were doing was provoking him

she has promised before that if they kept his commands he would drive out the nations that opposed them and fight and win all thier battles but you see here because of thier idolatrous nature to return repeatedly to false gods worshipping them rather than him now he’s saying “ because of that m not going to drive out those nations ….”

God is a person he gets angry he loves and feels and repents and his heart gets grieved by us he can be provoked he has wrath and anger towards evil ect there’s a relationship in tbe ot between God and the nation of Israel but it is not a good relationship it’s constantly a good husband doing everything right and his wife constantly try waiting until he steps out so she can rush in a group of lovers to fornicate with

rhen when they get destroyed they cry out “ oh god of our fathers why would you forsake your promise to Abraham ?”

then the lord repented sent a judge or prophet to teach them his ways and words then they would listen for a minute and things would get better he’s make promises that if they o eyes he’s bkess them again then they would turn and start worshipping some new false gods the. He’s let them be crushed again

this pattern makes up the entire Old Testament they stoned and drove away the prophets he sent when they called out he always answered but they always turned away and went to false gods over and over and over eventually he had enough

 

[Cameron143]

First I was curious about the Lords body(flesh bones body) in that in John 20 I was curious if you thought he was physically/literally raised from the dead and if that was what ascended into the Heaven in Acts 1. In Acts 2 Peter is describing a literal physical resurrection of the Lord (flesh not seeing decay) and is pointing out that David is still in his tomb but has hope in his heart,soul flesh of the same(Davids not resurrected at that point in time but is in hope of it)... https://biblehub.com/interlinear/acts/2.htm

In the revolt(throwing off of the servitude of the fourth beast servitude) why do you think Paul states in Romans 13 that the authority(fourth beast at that time) was to be looked at as "ordained by God" if that allotted time frame had expired? Why is Paul saying to honor their rule if the fourth beast rule had been fulfilled by the Jews" https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/13.htm

I do believe in a physical bodily resurrection and ascension. I believe Jesus still has a body and still represents the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
I don't believe the Roman rule had ended in the 1st century. Only that during the time of Roman rule God would set up His eternal kingdom.
God is sovereign over all the earth. Everything exists by Him, through Him, and to Him. That includes governments as well. Men may think they rule or govern themselves, but the heart of every king is in the Lord's hand. And they all are bowing to His purposes whether they know it or not.
Paul, in telling Christians, not Jews, to obey authority is merely recognizing God's authority, and teaching others to do the same.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

And contrast that ^ (my previous post) to what pre-tribbers believe:

--Paul never uses the definite article "the" when referring to US (the Church which is His body) as "temple" (WHY??);


--We (the Church which is His body) will NOT be present on the earth when the temple referred to in both 2Th2:4b and Rev11:1-2 [also Dan12:11] ("the temple of God") will exist on the earth (in the trib yrs)... so, there'd be nothing "preventing" the existence of one, then;





[and]

--Heb9:8-9a states, "8By this the Holy Spirit was signifying that the way into the holy places has not yet been made manifest, the first tabernacle [the one in the wilderness per the furnishings of v.4] still/yet having a standing [STASIN / STASIS], 9which is a symbol [A PARABLE] for the present time ..."

 

[Cameron143]

By this logic ^ , I'm wondering... do you believe Jesus or "God's presence" was found there ("in the holy place" [on earth]) in the events surrounding 70ad?

Or, had Jesus already ascended up to Heaven some [near-]40 years earlier (Acts 1)?




Following my logic, here...?




("where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God" - Col3:1)

I don't know exactly when God's presence departed from the temple. He certainly wasn't taking pleasure in the sacrifices once Jesus was crucified. But all authority was given Him after the cross and He did return to rapture His people in Jerusalem before its destruction.

 

[Cameron143]

right the old covenant is according to what’s written in the legal and binding agreement of the mediator and the conditions therin

“Behold, I set before you this day a blessing and a curse;

a blessing, if ye obey the commandments of the LORD your God, which I command you this day:

and a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.”
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭11:

If a person just follows what they did in the Bible we can see a clear and plain story and why that contract was kept as it was

a curse, if ye will not obey the commandments of the LORD your God, but turn aside out of the way which I command you this day, to go after other gods, which ye have not known.”

“And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and served Baalim: and they forsook the LORD God of their fathers, which brought them out of the land of Egypt, and followed other gods, of the gods of the people that were round about them, and bowed themselves unto them, and provoked the LORD to anger.

And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth.

….Nevertheless the LORD raised up judges, which delivered them out of the hand of those that spoiled them. And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them: they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of the LORD; but they did not so.

And when the LORD raised them up judges, then the LORD was with the judge, and delivered them out of the hand of their enemies all the days of the judge: for it repented the LORD because of their groanings by reason of them that oppressed them and vexed them.


And it came to pass, when the judge was dead, that they returned, and corrupted themselves more than their fathers, in following other gods to serve them, and to bow down unto them; they ceased not from their own doings, nor from their stubborn way.

And the anger of the LORD was hot against Israel; and he said, Because that this people hath transgressed my covenant which I commanded their fathers, and have not hearkened unto my voice; I also will not henceforth drive out any from before them of the nations which Joshua left when he died: that through them I may prove Israel, whether they will keep the way of the LORD to walk therein, as their fathers did keep it, or not.”
‭‭Judges‬ ‭2:11-13, 16-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

No one sees that what they were doing was provoking him

she has promised before that if they kept his commands he would drive out the nations that opposed them and fight and win all thier battles but you see here because of thier idolatrous nature to return repeatedly to false gods worshipping them rather than him now he’s saying “ because of that m not going to drive out those nations ….”

God is a person he gets angry he loves and feels and repents and his heart gets grieved by us he can be provoked he has wrath and anger towards evil ect there’s a relationship in tbe ot between God and the nation of Israel but it is not a good relationship it’s constantly a good husband doing everything right and his wife constantly try waiting until he steps out so she can rush in a group of lovers to fornicate with

rhen when they get destroyed they cry out “ oh god of our fathers why would you forsake your promise to Abraham ?”

then the lord repented sent a judge or prophet to teach them his ways and words then they would listen for a minute and things would get better he’s make promises that if they o eyes he’s bkess them again then they would turn and start worshipping some new false gods the. He’s let them be crushed again

this pattern makes up the entire Old Testament they stoned and drove away the prophets he sent when they called out he always answered but they always turned away and went to false gods over and over and over eventually he had enough

Yes. There is this continuous cycle of rebellion, followed by retribution, that leads to repentance and finally restoration. But Israel never lived well in blessing and eventually there would arise a generation that knew not the Lord which would fall into sin and the cycle would begin again.

 

[iamsoandso]

I do believe in a physical bodily resurrection and ascension. I believe Jesus still has a body and still represents the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
I don't believe the Roman rule had ended in the 1st century. Only that during the time of Roman rule God would set up His eternal kingdom.
God is sovereign over all the earth. Everything exists by Him, through Him, and to Him. That includes governments as well. Men may think they rule or govern themselves, but the heart of every king is in the Lord's hand. And they all are bowing to His purposes whether they know it or not.
Paul, in telling Christians, not Jews, to obey authority is merely recognizing God's authority, and teaching others to do the same.

Physical bodily resurrection for me and you or just Jesus?

And on to Revelation 17... https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17.htm

At about 17:7 or so,,,At that very time in history when John had been shown the Revelation on Patmos according to the angel showing him the mystery five of the heads of the beast are fallen (past tense),,, the sixth head "is"(present tense) and the other(7th head) had not yet come(future tense),,,, the beast that was,was not yet is is in the pit but will ascend(so existed past tense,is in the pit present tense and ascends out of it future tense) and the ten horns/kings have received no kingdom yet but will(future tense)... https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17.htm

This is all in aspect/arbitrary to the time frame that John received the Revelation on Patmos. And so in the angels mind he saw and explained that some of this had already happened, some of it was going on while he was explaining it to John and that some of it was future tense. So the marker in time is the present tense "one is" ,,,,,,,,does all this fit before ad70 or after or before during and after?

 

[Cameron143]

Physical bodily resurrection for me and you or just Jesus?

And on to Revelation 17... https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17.htm

At about 17:7 or so,,,At that very time in history when John had been shown the Revelation on Patmos according to the angel showing him the mystery five of the heads of the beast are fallen (past tense),,, the sixth head "is"(present tense) and the other(7th head) had not yet come(future tense),,,, the beast that was,was not yet is is in the pit but will ascend(so existed past tense,is in the pit present tense and ascends out of it future tense) and the ten horns/kings have received no kingdom yet but will(future tense)... https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17.htm

This is all in aspect/arbitrary to the time frame that John received the Revelation on Patmos. And so in the angels mind he saw and explained that some of this had already happened, some of it was going on while he was explaining it to John and that some of it was future tense. So the marker in time is the present tense "one is" ,,,,,,,,does all this fit before ad70 or after or before during and after?

I think to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. We have consciousness but don't know if we get glorified bodies until time ends. I lean towards receiving them after final judgment and those judged eternally being cast in the Lake of Fire.
I do believe Revelation 17 is speaking of what is spoken of in both Daniel twice...I would have to look up the chapters...and occurs before during and after 70 AD. It is a description of the Roman rulers and marks the time frame of events.

 

[iamsoandso]

I think to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. We have consciousness but don't know if we get glorified bodies until time ends. I lean towards receiving them after final judgment and those judged eternally being cast in the Lake of Fire.
I do believe Revelation 17 is speaking of what is spoken of in both Daniel twice...I would have to look up the chapters...and occurs before during and after 70 AD. It is a description of the Roman rulers and marks the time frame of events.

lol, that's real close,,,,

Who received the deadly wound by the sword and when and then later was healed by those dwelling on the earth? I wont say it it's best I have noticed to let others see it their own selves that way they also see the error in what they have done/are doing(think OP)...

 

[TMS]

The Temple has served it's purpose on earth.

It was a replica of the one in Heaven and Jesus is serving in the heavenly temple..

The Earthly temple was to help us understand how salvation works but it could now make attonment for our sins.

It was a schoolmaster.

When Jesus went to heaven to begin the heavenly work as preist the Earthly temple became void.
Mat 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Hebrews makes it clear that there was a change in the laws.

When Jesus comes He will take the saved back to heaven so the Earth has no need for a temple.
If Jesus is not going to be priest on earth then building it is just a deception of the devil.

 

[TMS]

Heb 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Jesus is our high priest. Ordained of God

No where in scripture does it say Jesus will be priest in an Earthly Temple.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

When Jesus comes He will take the saved back to heaven so the Earth has no need for a temple.
If Jesus is not going to be priest on earth [...]

Priest-KING. ("KING" openly manifest... like 1Tim6:15 speaks of... as "future");



What do you believe about the following passage (Isa24:21-23):

"23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously."





[same as we see in Isa27:9,12-13 / Matt24:29-31 at "GREAT trumpet" [/ Rom11:27 "my covenant UNTO THEM, when..." / Dan9:24 (parts)]--speaking of Israel's "future," just like Hosea 5:14-6:3 does... (and many other passages)]




Note that I am not saying that the temple built during / in the trib (2Th2:4b / Rev11:1-2 "the temple of God") will be the same temple in the MK age...

[...] then building it is just a deception of the devil.

 

[TMS]

Hebrews explains the details. How, who, why, when, what. Jesus is the high priest that is making intercession now.
No need for a Earthly sanctuary that would not be perfect. The Heavenly Temple is perfect and an Earthly Temple would not compare, God dosen't drop His standards.
Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

 

[TMS]

What do you believe about the following passage (Isa24:21-23)

A prophesy about Jesus....
Is it future or past

Isa 24:23 KJV Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.

Jesus conquered when He came. By dieing as a sinless man He overcame the devil and sin. He reigned as our saviour over death.
Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
He was victorious over sin and death.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Mat 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

Luk 23:44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. 45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

 

[Komentaja]

what caused Israel’s desolation ? Look how it relates to messiah Bieng cut off and how the desolation lasts until the end

“And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah ( Jesus crucified accused by isreal) be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; ( rome did this in 67-70 ads siege ) and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭9:26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

see there how it shows the messiah being Cut off then the city and sanctuary is destroyed and it’s left desolate ? Consider this parable by our lord to them

“Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, ( israel ) and went into a far country:

and when the time of the fruit drew near, he sent his servants to the husbandmen, that they might receive the fruits of it. And the husbandmen took his servants, and beat one, and killed another, and stoned another. ( the early prophets calling them to repentance )

Again, he sent other servants more than the first: ( the latter messianic prophets ) and they did unto them likewise. But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son. ( Jesus messiah ) But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance. And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

(theres more referring to prophecy about the cornerstone you might want to read but the point is )

……Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭21:33-39, 43‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Lastly listen to what Jesus was saying

“O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee;

how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate:

and verily I say unto you, Ye shall not see me, until the time come when ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:34-35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And here he foretold what would happen a few years later when Jerusalem and its temple was destroyed leaving then desolate meaning they couldn’t worship by thier covenant any longer it was centered around the temple in Jerusalem and animal sacrifice and Moses words of the covenant

“And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows.

Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:1-2, 4, 7-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The gospel requires no temple worship is the point we don’t have to go to Jerusalem we can worship God because he’s with us itnis this now thanks tonjesus

“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
‭‭John‬ ‭4:21, 23-24‬ ‭

there doesn’t need to be a temple or tabernacle Jesus is where God dwells and Christ is in us the hope of glory

The temple was for all of Moses ordinances that he taught the levites according to the pattern shown him on sinia when he entered the cloud fourty days

the altars were for animal sacrifice many daily and yearly and monthly doves and bulls and goats and lambs ect

The ark with the mercy seat when the priest would sprinkle the bulls blood for his own sins then again for the people seven times ect that’s a pattern of what’s in heaven what came forth in the gospel

Jesus sacrifice is the reality animal sacrifice was just a pattern beforehand so they would later understand when he came

The mercy seat was just a pattern of Gods throne in heaven where his glory resides Jesus entered e real tabernacle we no longer need the pattern is all I’m saying but someone may rebuild another tabernacle at some point right now for the past few hundred years Muslim mosque sits atop the temple mound that declares “ god has no son “ seems an abomination in my mind but not sure just my own thoughts friend thanks for the discussion

I’d say the light has dawned god doesn’t care about a building he cares about us where his spirit resides

This happened about two Ty or thirty yeees after Jesus said this

“And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭21:20, 22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This all makes a lot of sense, however what do you make of 2 Thessalonians 2:4?
"
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

This man is said to be killed at the appearing of the Lord, which cannot be in AD70 as Jesus did not return then.

Or are you saying 2 Thess 2:4 is talking about something different than Matthew 24:15 abomination of desolation?

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

A prophesy about Jesus....
Is it future or past
Isa 24:23 KJV Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.
Jesus conquered when He came.

So, are you thinking that when Jesus came (first advent) He was fulfilling what we see written about in Revelation 19 (coming)?

Because Isaiah 24:21-22's TWO "PUNISH" words correspond with:

--[v.21's "PUNISH"] = Rev19:19,21 / 16:14-16 / 20:5 (Armageddon time-slot / [what is commonly called] 2nd Coming to the earth);

--[v.22's "PUNISH"] = the later GWTj point in the chronology (Rev20:11-15);



...both of these passages--Isa24 and Rev19-20--having "TIME" separating / intervening.




[are you saying that Rev19's coming was, like, fulfilled at the Cross?? (past)]






So that v.23's "shall reign in Zion and in Jerusalem [and before his ancients gloriously]" would correspond with Rev19:15b's "and He SHALL [future tense] rule / shepherd them [the nations] with a rod / sceptre of iron [/righteousness and strength; (Heb1:8; As well as Rev7:17/Isa49:10--an earthly-located MK passage)]"

By dieing as a sinless man He overcame the devil and sin. He reigned as our saviour over death.
Rom 5:21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
He was victorious over sin and death.
1Co 15:57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Mat 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

Luk 23:44 And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour. 45 And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

 

[Komentaja]

What if the temple of Isis were placed on the ruins of the temple mount, would God consider it an abomination? Oh wait, the temple of ISIS is there... Ok, I'll think of another ....How about if the temple of Satan was set up there? Gah, I can't think of a good enough example of what might be considered an abomination...

Good argument but once again:
what do you make of 2 Thessalonians 2:4?
"Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

A building cannot declare itself God

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

So that v.23's "shall reign in Zion and in Jerusalem [and before his ancients gloriously]" would correspond with

EDIT: "in mount Zion and in Jerusalem..." (hate when I leave out a word when typing too fast, LOL)

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

This man is said to be killed at the appearing of the Lord, which cannot be in AD70 as Jesus did not return then.

Right.