Could Trump do anything to make you stop supporting him?

Does Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and Jesse Watters work for the Democrats too? I really only liked listening to Tucker and Watters a little bit... though, Watters loses me with his Israel/Palestinian take.

You wrote it was a "rescue mission". It wasn't a rescue mission. Called "Raid on Yakla": It was planned under the Obama admin and Trump ok'd it 8 days into his presidency. It was a joint United Arab Emirates/United States mission planned by U.S. Central Command and CIA to gather intelligence via laptops, phones, documents on personnel and operations of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen, and probably try to kill the leader Qasim al-Raymi and any target of opportunity in the way.

I'm sure Trump knew jack-spud about anything going on there. Trump's Defense Secretary Jim Mattis and chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff presented the plan to Trump, and National Security Advisor Michael Flynn pushed for it. Trump isn't going to know about proper military backup assets, or proper protocols like a live Situation Room, for an operation like this. He's going to depend on "the experts". You can blame Trump for okaying it, but not for the operational inadequacies.

Hopefully Trump (and everyone with that power) has learned a valuable lesson from the attack. At least Trump isn't one to start or engage in new foreign war adventures.

Since it's a civil war in Yemen, I'd be dubious about that groups connection with al-Qaeda, I'd doubt they have any international interests, rather their interest is in winning the civil war in Yemen or separating into an autonomous country. The US shouldn't be doing Saudi Arabia's bidding with their intervention into Yemen. I remember Saudi's bombing raids on civilian targets, including a school in Yemen. Vietnam and history have taught us civil wars are almost always local affairs and not genuine proxy gains by larger actors (ie Iran).

The worst thing in this area was Obama carrying out the assassination of a US citizen (Anwar Nasser Abdulla al-Awlaki) through a drone strike in 2011. That's an execution without due process. If he's committed a crime against the United States, then send a superior force to capture him and then put him on trial.

I said what I did because a few days later it turned into this.
A Secret U.S. Rescue in Yemen Played a Role in Mideast ...
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Oct 19, 2020 — The 2017 rescue mission took place days after Yemeni forces, backed by the U.S. and U.A.E., launched a military operation to drive al Qaeda ...

Thanks, Mike. I wasn't aware of that rescue operation. Looks like there may have been more than those two operations.

I don't mean to nitpick, but you did write, "he (Trump) botched a rescue mission costing the lives of a key trained soldier and the lives of those they were there to save." The mission to rescue the Emirati royal and the other Emirati soldiers occurred on Aug. 11, 2017; that's 6 months after the Raid on Yakla where American Navy SEAL William Owens was killed in action (Jan 29, 2017). Nobody was killed in the rescue mission and the Emirati were saved. Source: A USAF C-17 Flew A Secretive Mission Into Yemen To Rescue Wounded Emirati Troops In 2017 (thedrive.com) I couldn't read the WSJ article cause I don't have a paid subscription.

So, we can agree Trump did not get an American soldier killed on the rescue mission, and those who were being saved were not killed, but successfully rescued. Apparently, the rescue mission was secret. I don't even know if Trump was aware of it; suppose he was. It was successful whoever authorized it.

We can agree Trump should not have engaged in missions in Yemen... but I also admit I'm not an expert in regard to the Houthi threat assessment against the US. The vast majority of them probably thought nothing of the US, and now we killed lots of civilians and family members there. Maybe some of the family members crossed the open Mexico border this year.

Wow even the Republicans are in on a conspiracy to elect a Democratic president.

Does Sean Hannity, Mark Levin, and Jesse Watters work for the Democrats too? I really only liked listening to Tucker and Watters a little bit... though, Watters loses me with his Israel/Palestinian take.

When the Republican Party's best possible candidate is a Hindu, it's a sign the party needs a major overhaul.

I did not say they were "in on the conspiracy". I said they were working for the Democrats and showed no outrage at the stolen election. You lie when you say Trump "lost". Evidently you have no idea about what actually happened. Either that or you shut your eyes to the truth (like all Leftists). Go and view "2000 Mules".

2,000 Mules: They Thought We'd Never Find Out. They Were Wrong. Hardcover – Oct. 25 2022
by Dinesh D'Souza (Author)
4.8 4.8 out of 5 stars 366 ratings
At last, bestselling author Dinesh D'Souza exposes the powerful evidence of voting fraud that you were told didn't exist. Also, a major motion picture documentary.

THE FIX WAS IN

The 2020 presidential election was rife with fraud orchestrated by the Democratic Party. That’s not just an accusation; it’s now, thanks to bestselling author and investigative journalist Dinesh D’Souza, an established fact. With eyewitness testimony and the pinpoint precision and analytic sophistication of the forensic technique of geotracking, D’Souza demonstrates how an already corrupt system put in place by Democratic Party hacks and “community organizers” was taken over and supercharged by national-level operatives to jeopardize the integrity of the election.

The key figure: the mule. A paid cut-out. A criminal deliveryman. The stooge found at the intersection where election cheating and double-dealing hit the road. The mule is the crook who physically takes a sack of ballots provided by shady NGOs and political
machines—the “community activist organizations” made famous by former President Obama, for instance—and dumps those ballots in collection boxes throughout a voting district. Do enough of this, and you have planted voter fraud across a nation.

Documentary filmmaker extraordinaire and bestselling author of America, Death of a Nation, and United States of Socialism, Dinesh D'Souza exposes powerful evidence of the colossal voting racketeering that you were told didn’t exist. Here you will find the receipts—the transcripts and confirmatory details—for the facts establishing 2020 election fraud presented in D’Souza’s major motion picture documentary, 2,000 Mules. D’Souza makes a powerful argument that 2020 was a stolen election. More important, D’Souza proves it.
https://www.amazon.ca/000-Mules-Thought-Never-Wrong/dp/1684514460

I don't believe Putin is afraid of anyone. I believe he's psychotic. But rather than repeat what I have previously written, I'll just refer you to post #3189.
My purpose wasn't to suggest that there were never any incursions during the tenures of Republican leaders, but that they have a better understanding of authoritarian leaders and how to respond.
Another poster wrote something that was demonstrably false and that was the reason I responded in the first place. It makes a difference who is in charge for the welfare and well-being of the citizens of any country. America is in a very precarious position both economically and militarily at present. Far worse, in my opinion, than at anytime during my lifetime. And the problem goes deeper than just the current leader. But he is emblematic of the problem. This is exactly the kind of leadership that results when a nation turns away from God.

Putin is not psychotic.
He is not incoherent nor in a state of hallucinations.

Putin has been very measured in his response the NATO/USA blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline which suggests to me someone very controlled and goal focused.

Perhaps NATO/USA should not have created a situation where Russia felt threatened.
To understand the Geo-politics one has to see it from the other back yard.

He is both a sociopath and psychopath. He lacks empathy. No one can be so disconnected from the needs of others and have so little concern for life and be otherwise.
This doesn't preclude the ability to reason and plan. It does affect what kinds of plans you find acceptable.

Sorry but your terminology is wrong.

Psychosis is not related to being a psychopath/sociopath it is being in a state of mental breakdown typically associated with schizophrenia, bipolar disorder.

As well, he may be a narcissist (un-diagnosed based on indicators) but then studies show many CEO's and politicians are narcissists so we cannot be shocked at that.

You have no way to know if he lacks empathy since he is not a patient of yours receiving therapy.

As well, people banter these psychology terms around these days as though they are just "adjectives" they are not, in classical psychology one cannot be a sociopath and a psychopath.

You used to be one of the very few people in here that did not engage in inflammatory rhetoric, CC is changing you, I know I have been there, just a word of concern.

Ok. I did choose the wrong term. But I corrected the terminology in my last post. And you don't have to be a licensed and practicing psychologist to know Putin is a psychopath. His actions tell you. He doesn't imprison his enemies; he kills them. Do you need a degree to determine Trump is a narcissist? Is he under your care?
I do believe Putin's responses are reasoned and in response to perceived threats. I believe his actions are in response to US and NATO actions. I also believe the war in Ukraine could have been avoided. But that doesn't change my opinion of Putin.
And I would suggest that if you found my post inflammatory, it may not be me that has changed.

Ok. I did choose the wrong term. But I corrected the terminology in my last post. And you don't have to be a licensed and practicing psychologist to know Putin is a psychopath. His actions tell you. He doesn't imprison his enemies; he kills them. Do you need a degree to determine Trump is a narcissist? Is he under your care?
I do believe Putin's responses are reasoned and in response to perceived threats. I believe his actions are in response to US and NATO actions. I also believe the war in Ukraine could have been avoided. But that doesn't change my opinion of Putin.
And I would suggest that if you found my post inflammatory, it may not be me that has changed.

Narcissism, or narcissistic like behaviours can be used in a non-clinical sense as it relates the the character of the story, I usually put in non clinical, if I missed typing that, that is how I use the term.


I will go with Jordan Peterson on this, it is a huge mistake we are making these days.

"I don't think that he's a psychopath," Dr Peterson said.
"It's very easy to demonise someone that you don't approve of.
"I think it's a mistake to assume that Trump is a psychopath – I think it's a big mistake.
"I think it's a big mistake to assume that Putin is a psychopath – I think it's easy to do that but I don't think the evidence suggests that. You don't want to throw those labels around casually."

I am hoping I have changed, the less I am on CC the better the person I am, but that is just me.

Putin is not psychotic.
He is not incoherent nor in a state of hallucinations.

Putin has been very measured in his response the NATO/USA blowing up the Nord Stream pipeline which suggests to me someone very controlled and goal focused.

Perhaps NATO/USA should not have created a situation where Russia felt threatened.
To understand the Geo-politics one has to see it from the other back yard.

I did not say they were "in on the conspiracy". I said they were working for the Democrats and showed no outrage at the stolen election. You lie when you say Trump "lost". Evidently you have no idea about what actually happened. Either that or you shut your eyes to the truth (like all Leftists). Go and view "2000 Mules".

2,000 Mules: They Thought We'd Never Find Out. They Were Wrong. Hardcover – Oct. 25 2022
by Dinesh D'Souza (Author)
4.8 4.8 out of 5 stars 366 ratings
At last, bestselling author Dinesh D'Souza exposes the powerful evidence of voting fraud that you were told didn't exist. Also, a major motion picture documentary.

THE FIX WAS IN

The 2020 presidential election was rife with fraud orchestrated by the Democratic Party. That’s not just an accusation; it’s now, thanks to bestselling author and investigative journalist Dinesh D’Souza, an established fact. With eyewitness testimony and the pinpoint precision and analytic sophistication of the forensic technique of geotracking, D’Souza demonstrates how an already corrupt system put in place by Democratic Party hacks and “community organizers” was taken over and supercharged by national-level operatives to jeopardize the integrity of the election.

The key figure: the mule. A paid cut-out. A criminal deliveryman. The stooge found at the intersection where election cheating and double-dealing hit the road. The mule is the crook who physically takes a sack of ballots provided by shady NGOs and political
machines—the “community activist organizations” made famous by former President Obama, for instance—and dumps those ballots in collection boxes throughout a voting district. Do enough of this, and you have planted voter fraud across a nation.

Documentary filmmaker extraordinaire and bestselling author of America, Death of a Nation, and United States of Socialism, Dinesh D'Souza exposes powerful evidence of the colossal voting racketeering that you were told didn’t exist. Here you will find the receipts—the transcripts and confirmatory details—for the facts establishing 2020 election fraud presented in D’Souza’s major motion picture documentary, 2,000 Mules. D’Souza makes a powerful argument that 2020 was a stolen election. More important, D’Souza proves it.
https://www.amazon.ca/000-Mules-Thought-Never-Wrong/dp/1684514460

There was voter fraud. There always is.