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cv5

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Here is what the Bible says

1. Antichrist sets up a winged idol in the Holy Place, which in several places it translates as "Temple", but I would argue should be translated as sanctuary. This could be either in the Holy Place or the Holy of Holies.

2. The Jews begin to offer oblations and sacrifices which then cease when the idol is put in the sanctuary.

3. Amos prophesies that the Tabernacle of David will be raised again at the end of the age in what appears to be the 70th week of Daniel.

4. There is no prophecy anywhere in the Old or New Testament that says a Temple will be built.

5. Instead we are told that the outer court will be given to the nations to trample.

6. We are also told that these are perilous times. That is the context of the prophecy in Amos and also the context of the end of the age in the New Testament.

So how come the Christian theologians do not put this prophecy in Amos into their eschatology? You have to have the tabernacle of David being raised somewhere in your understanding and it is fully missing.

On the other hand we are told in the New Jerusalem there is no Temple. So what happened to it? Not only is there no prophecy that a third temple is built there also is no prophecy that a third temple is destroyed. Also, if you are in perilous times why are you building a temple? Also, why build a temple if from the get go you have to give away most of the property for it?

These are critical questions. But regardless of how you interpret the end times you must agree that Amos clearly says the tabernacle of David will be raised again and that has not happened yet, so that is one of the prophecies of the Old Testament that must be fulfilled. On the other hand if no temple is built there is no prophecy in either Old or New testament that cannot be fulfilled because you have both the Holy Place and the Holy of Holies in the Tabernacle of David. You can measure them and you can put an idol in them.
It should be obvious that the context here is the Millennial Temple. The absolutely gargantuan Millennial Temple that is one mile per side. The Tabernacle of David is being used synonymously for it here.

Will the "Tribulation Temple" actually be similar to David's original Tabernacle in scope? Rather limited in size?
Does this allow for the outer court being left for the gentiles? Sure maybe. In fact maybe this is a better fit than a brick and mortar Temple given the brevity of the time scale.

Doesn't matter much one way or the other though. More of a technicality than anything else. Because it still is a physical construct on a peculiar location within the confines of the Nation Israel.

[Amo 9:11 KJV]
In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

[Amo 9:12 KJV]
That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.

[Amo 9:13 KJV]
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.

[Amo 9:14 KJV]
And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit [them]; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.

[Amo 9:15 KJV]
And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
 

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Lol I think we should just let them do it and Trump will still win even after, they're dumb enough to prove that even with the craziest rigging that we were right and Trump victory was too big to rig. Praise Jesus it's giving us a bonus W and themselves just another bonus L.
 

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It should be obvious that the context here is the Millennial Temple. The absolutely gargantuan Millennial Temple that is one mile per side. The Tabernacle of David is being used synonymously for it here.

Will the "Tribulation Temple" actually be similar to David's original Tabernacle in scope? Rather limited in size?
Does this allow for the outer court being left for the gentiles? Sure maybe. In fact maybe this is a better fit than a brick and mortar Temple given the brevity of the time scale.

Doesn't matter much one way or the other though. More of a technicality than anything else. Because it still is a physical construct on a peculiar location within the confines of the Nation Israel.

[Amo 9:11 KJV]
In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

[Amo 9:12 KJV]
That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.

[Amo 9:13 KJV]
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.

[Amo 9:14 KJV]
And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit [them]; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.

[Amo 9:15 KJV]
And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
Gill says that this is referring to Jesus raising up Israel out of the dust. So it begins with the Jews returning to Israel in 1948 and then getting control of Jerusalem in 1967, and ultimately could refer to the Milennial kingdom. But it most definitely does not refer to the temple described in Ezekiel.

A tabernacle is humble. Gill says this could refer to the church age as well. The church that Jesus is building includes both Jews and Gentiles and the "day of the Lord" could certainly be the day that is referenced in Amos. The first ten ver
It should be obvious that the context here is the Millennial Temple. The absolutely gargantuan Millennial Temple that is one mile per side. The Tabernacle of David is being used synonymously for it here.

Will the "Tribulation Temple" actually be similar to David's original Tabernacle in scope? Rather limited in size?
Does this allow for the outer court being left for the gentiles? Sure maybe. In fact maybe this is a better fit than a brick and mortar Temple given the brevity of the time scale.

Doesn't matter much one way or the other though. More of a technicality than anything else. Because it still is a physical construct on a peculiar location within the confines of the Nation Israel.

[Amo 9:11 KJV]
In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

[Amo 9:12 KJV]
That they may possess the remnant of Edom, and of all the heathen, which are called by my name, saith the LORD that doeth this.

[Amo 9:13 KJV]
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that the plowman shall overtake the reaper, and the treader of grapes him that soweth seed; and the mountains shall drop sweet wine, and all the hills shall melt.

[Amo 9:14 KJV]
And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit [them]; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.

[Amo 9:15 KJV]
And I will plant them upon their land, and they shall no more be pulled up out of their land which I have given them, saith the LORD thy God.
"In that day"
In verse 11 this is a crystal clear reference to the day described in verses 1-10

Amos 9:1 I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, Smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake: and cut them in the head, all of them; and I will slay the last of them with the sword: he that fleeth of them shall not flee away, and he that escapeth of them shall not be delivered.

This is not during the Milennial kingdom, that is a thousand years of peace where Jesus reigns after fighting the battle.

2 Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down: 3 And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them: 4 And though they go into captivity before their enemies, thence will I command the sword, and it shall slay them: and I will set mine eyes upon them for evil, and not for good.

This is not during the millennial kingdom, that doesn't start until after Armageddon and all these ones have already been dealt with.

5 And the Lord God of hosts is he that toucheth the land, and it shall melt, and all that dwell therein shall mourn: and it shall rise up wholly like a flood; and shall be drowned, as by the flood of Egypt.

The flood of Egypt is a reference to the crossing of the red sea which destroyed Pharaoh's armies. This is not a reference to Israel building a temple, they travelled through the wilderness and God's presence dwelt in a tent that moved with them.

6 It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The Lord is his name. 7 Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the Lord. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir? 8 Behold, the eyes of the Lord God are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the Lord.

Once again, this is a reference to the Day of the Lord, not to the thousand year reign.

9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

The sifting does not take place after the Day of the Lord. The day of the Lord is the time when the sifting takes place and it concludes with the Day of Judgement on the day of atonement.

10 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.

All the sinners of my people shall die -- again a reference to the Great tribulation (for the Jews).

11 In that day

This is clearly a reference to the day described in the previous ten verses, the Day of the Lord. It is clearly referring to perilous times when we are at war, sinners are being judged, and the saints are being sifted.

will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

If you go back to the first verse, the Lord is standing at the altar. That would have been right after the crucifixion, the start of the church age and it would have been right after the Holocaust, which means "burnt offering".

Now there is no way you would raise the tabernacle of David is you have a temple.
 

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Gill says that this is referring to Jesus raising up Israel out of the dust. So it begins with the Jews returning to Israel in 1948 and then getting control of Jerusalem in 1967, and ultimately could refer to the Milennial kingdom. But it most definitely does not refer to the temple described in Ezekiel.

A tabernacle is humble. Gill says this could refer to the church age as well. The church that Jesus is building includes both Jews and Gentiles and the "day of the Lord" could certainly be the day that is referenced in Amos. The first ten ver

"In that day"
In verse 11 this is a crystal clear reference to the day described in verses 1-10

Amos 9:1 I saw the Lord standing upon the altar: and he said, Smite the lintel of the door, that the posts may shake: and cut them in the head, all of them; and I will slay the last of them with the sword: he that fleeth of them shall not flee away, and he that escapeth of them shall not be delivered.

This is not during the Milennial kingdom, that is a thousand years of peace where Jesus reigns after fighting the battle.

2 Though they dig into hell, thence shall mine hand take them; though they climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down: 3 And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them: 4 And though they go into captivity before their enemies, thence will I command the sword, and it shall slay them: and I will set mine eyes upon them for evil, and not for good.

This is not during the millennial kingdom, that doesn't start until after Armageddon and all these ones have already been dealt with.

5 And the Lord God of hosts is he that toucheth the land, and it shall melt, and all that dwell therein shall mourn: and it shall rise up wholly like a flood; and shall be drowned, as by the flood of Egypt.

The flood of Egypt is a reference to the crossing of the red sea which destroyed Pharaoh's armies. This is not a reference to Israel building a temple, they travelled through the wilderness and God's presence dwelt in a tent that moved with them.

6 It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The Lord is his name. 7 Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the Lord. Have not I brought up Israel out of the land of Egypt? and the Philistines from Caphtor, and the Syrians from Kir? 8 Behold, the eyes of the Lord God are upon the sinful kingdom, and I will destroy it from off the face of the earth; saving that I will not utterly destroy the house of Jacob, saith the Lord.

Once again, this is a reference to the Day of the Lord, not to the thousand year reign.

9 For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.

The sifting does not take place after the Day of the Lord. The day of the Lord is the time when the sifting takes place and it concludes with the Day of Judgement on the day of atonement.

10 All the sinners of my people shall die by the sword, which say, The evil shall not overtake nor prevent us.

All the sinners of my people shall die -- again a reference to the Great tribulation (for the Jews).

11 In that day

This is clearly a reference to the day described in the previous ten verses, the Day of the Lord. It is clearly referring to perilous times when we are at war, sinners are being judged, and the saints are being sifted.

will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old:

If you go back to the first verse, the Lord is standing at the altar. That would have been right after the crucifixion, the start of the church age and it would have been right after the Holocaust, which means "burnt offering".

Now there is no way you would raise the tabernacle of David is you have a temple.
No.
The term "IN THAT DAY" refers to THE DAY OF THE LORD.

When does this DAY commence? It commences at the BEGINNING of the 70th week of Daniel aka the 7 year tribulation.

Many people make the mistake of thinking that the DOTL begins AFTER the SC and the beginning of the Millenium.
Which is wrong. The DOTL commences more or less immediately after the rapture and at the time of the breaking of the FIRST SEAL of Revelation chapter 6.

Whatever else Gill postulates is rubbish.
 

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[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [38] This is the first and great commandment. [39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Mt 22:37-40

Matthew 22:37-39
 

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No.
The term "IN THAT DAY" refers to THE DAY OF THE LORD.

When does this DAY commence? It commences at the BEGINNING of the 70th week of Daniel aka the 7 year tribulation.

Many people make the mistake of thinking that the DOTL begins AFTER the SC and the beginning of the Millenium.
Which is wrong. The DOTL commences more or less immediately after the rapture and at the time of the breaking of the FIRST SEAL of Revelation chapter 6.

Whatever else Gill postulates is rubbish.
So then if God raises up the tabernacle of David during the day of the Lord then it cannot possibly be referring to the temple in Ezekiel. That is what I am saying. During the 70th week we don't have a temple, we have the tabernacle of David.

However, Jesus is the greater David and so I think this is a direct reference to Jesus building His church which is composed of both Jews and Gentiles.

The tabernacle was used by the Jews for 40 years as they wandered through the wilderness, and the last 40 jubilees refers to the church age. However, they also had the tabernacle of David in Shiloh and then brought it to Jerusalem during David's reign, so I believe it also refers to the Jews and the 70th week.

Solomon would refer to Jesus millennial reign where that temple that Ezekiel describes and is also seen when the New Jerusalem descends.

The third temple refers to the New Jerusalem / Ezekiel's temple.