The Security Of The Believer

I disagree. It's never about them being cut off. It is always about you and I being cut off. They are eternally secure. Not you and I.

correct its more than likely not so much about themselves but what others can do to get themselves cut of, the back to front part and the false premise is there questioning what a person may do to get themselves cut of but have no idea if such a person was saved in the first place. Or fail to recognise being cut of can mean left out in the cold for a while.

The last resort is not something God takes pleasure in even for the wicked, God says as much in his word.

Im certain this would be even less pleasure for a saved person.


But time and time again we see the saved people being judged the same way as the wicked, it really makes me think like satan is fantasizing every time this topic is brought up.

That is my opinion and nothing you've presented has changed it. Most readers are perfectly capable of forming their own opinion and have the freedom to do so as well. They may either hold my opinion or reject it and continue to follow your teaching or reject it. I will not entertain your opinions any further nor does must I do continue to do so. Satan offered misleading representations of scripture in order that Jesus would show Himself faithless, by offering Him doubt with, "Didn't scripture say...?" That might've worked in the garden, but it failed miserably in the desert.

”Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” (Matthew 7:15-20).

Okay. I have a little break to be able to do a quick reply here.

So to get down to business:

Jesus is our example (1 Peter 2:21) (1 John 2:6).

In all Jesus' teachings He referred to the divine authority of the Old Testament (Matthew 5:17-18; Matthew 8:17;Matthew 12:40-42; Luke 4:18-21; Luke 10:25-28; Luke 15:29-31; Luke 17:32; Luke 24:25-45; John 5:39-47). He quoted the Old Testament 78 times, the Pentateuch alone 26 times. He quoted from Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Amos, Jonah, Micah, and Malachi. He referred to the Old Testament as “The Scriptures,” “the word of God,” and “the wisdom of God.” Jesus defeated the devil by using Scripture. For three words, "It is written" was said 3 times by Jesus in Matthew 4:1-11. This is confirmed by Ephesians 6 with how the Sword of the Spirit is the Word of God which is an offensive weapon you are to take up when putting on the armor of God so that one can stand against the wiles of the devil (Ephesians 6:11, 16). For the Living Word (Jesus) is like a two edged sword that divides asunder the soul and the spirit because He always speaks the words of God because He is God (Hebrews 4:12).

thanks for the reminder it would be nice hearing the words Gods word is like a double edged sword in better circumstances but not in a situation where you want people who are saved to believe they will lose there salvation. That's just not nice

He referred to the Old Testament as “The Scriptures,

Right, and how do you know the Lord? By keeping His commandments (See 1 John 2:3). For the person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commands is a liar and the truth is not in him (See: 1 John 2:4).

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The scripture speaks of false professors who considered their work as iniquity. They may have prophesied in his name, cast out devils, and done wonderful works and yet not doing the will of the Father. But how can we know it is not the will of his Father? On the chapter alone we can glean some insights>

• Prejudiced v.1. These Jews as the audience judged unfairly; The Jews knew they were right in judging others as they mistook others who were not righteous according to their standards.
• Hypocrisy v.5. His works are only for show, a fake, never genuine, again he is some sort of a self-righteous like the scribes and the Pharisees. He works to his own credit.
• Wrong intentions v.15. The false teachers have their propaganda but at the end, he is just only in a sheep’s clothing but, actually a ravening wolf.

It is because of these, that the Lord said "Many say…Lord, Lord "but they were not known by him. The will of the Father is to trust Him completely for salvation. If many won’t they have nothing to lose, they were lost.

Amen! We're saved by what God has done for us not by what we are expected to do.

May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. The one who calls you is faithful, and he will do it (1 Thessalonians 5:23-24).

The one who calls us is faithful and He will do it. Not us doing it, He will do it. God Bless

Okay. I have a little break to be able to do a quick reply here.

So to get down to business:

Jesus is our example (1 Peter 2:21) (1 John 2:6).

In all Jesus' teachings He referred to the divine authority of the Old Testament (Matthew 5:17-18; Matthew 8:17;Matthew 12:40-42; Luke 4:18-21; Luke 10:25-28; Luke 15:29-31; Luke 17:32; Luke 24:25-45; John 5:39-47). He quoted the Old Testament 78 times, the Pentateuch alone 26 times. He quoted from Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Psalms, Proverbs, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Amos, Jonah, Micah, and Malachi. He referred to the Old Testament as “The Scriptures,” “the word of God,” and “the wisdom of God.” Jesus defeated the devil by using Scripture. For three words, "It is written" was said 3 times by Jesus in Matthew 4:1-11. This is confirmed by Ephesians 6 with how the Sword of the Spirit is the Word of God which is an offensive weapon you are to take up when putting on the armor of God so that one can stand against the wiles of the devil (Ephesians 6:11, 16). For the Living Word (Jesus) is like a two edged sword that divides asunder the soul and the spirit because He always speaks the words of God because He is God (Hebrews 4:12).

sorry I thought you calling my position a do do lol

If he could take the first sentence of the lord in this text you quoted and apply that to his doctrine, hopefully he will realise most of his reasoning should be directed at the unsaved, and if he could apply the reasoning, he should never take the way God would punish someone else for granted, because God could well say to someone who calls to the lord, I don't know know you at first but then change his mind 😊

the doctrines of predestination and election.

Yeah, satan teaches that God doesn't want everyone to be saved... in spite of evidence in scripture that proved this calvinist doctrine as being completely false.

Of course calvinists pick and choose what portions of God's Word they want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't fit in with their preconceived ideas as they always read in to scripture what they want it to say... rather than allowing the whole counsel of God to correct their faulty fake gospel. View attachment 258854

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.

So... get ready to hear excuses from the dark side on why the scripture above should be ignored! View attachment 258855

Yeah, satan teaches that God doesn't want everyone to be saved... in spite of evidence in scripture that proved this calvinist doctrine as being completely false.

Of course calvinists pick and choose what portions of God's Word they want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't fit in with their preconceived ideas as they always read in to scripture what they want it to say... rather than allowing the whole counsel of God to correct their faulty fake gospel. View attachment 258854

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.

So... get ready to hear excuses from the dark side o0n why the scripture above should be ignored! View attachment 258855

Yeah, satan teaches that God doesn't want everyone to be saved... in spite of evidence in scripture that proved this calvinist doctrine as being completely false.

Of course calvinists pick and choose what portions of God's Word they want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't fit in with their preconceived ideas as they always read in to scripture what they want it to say... rather than allowing the whole counsel of God to correct their faulty fake gospel. View attachment 258854

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.

So... get ready to hear excuses from the dark side o0n why the scripture above should be ignored! View attachment 258855

Yeah, satan teaches that God doesn't want everyone to be saved... in spite of evidence in scripture that proved this calvinist doctrine as being completely false.

Of course calvinists pick and choose what portions of God's Word they want to believe and ignore anything that doesn't fit in with their preconceived ideas as they always read in to scripture what they want it to say... rather than allowing the whole counsel of God to correct their faulty fake gospel. View attachment 258854

The Father sovereignly decided to make man in His own Image which is why all men have free will. He said in His Word than we are predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ (Romans 8:29), and we are to be followers of God as dear children (Ephesians 5:1)

God's Word says man is without excuse (Romans 1:20), the grace that brings salvation has come upon all men (Titus 2:11-13)

God's Word says it's not God's will that any perish and He wants all to come to repentance (2 Peter 3:9), and He has commanded men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30), and has given every man faith (Romans 12:3)

Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw all men until Himself (John 12:32), and Jesus has tasted of death for every man (Hebrews 2:9)

In light of all these scriptures, we can say for sure that limited atonement taught by John Calvin is false doctrine and is in opposition to what God says.

So... get ready to hear excuses from the dark side o0n why the scripture above should be ignored! View attachment 258855