The Security Of The Believer

Yeah, these sneaky “certain men” were not Christians; they were fakes—wolves in sheep’s clothing. They called themselves Jews and were not even close.
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

- Revelation 3:9 (KJV)

George Sodini did not repent because he committed suicide. In his suicide letter (so-to-speak) he wrote before he murdered others and took his own life by his own gun said that he could do such things and be saved by having a belief alone in Jesus. You would think that his church would have disowned him. But they didn’t. They doubled down and said George Sodini was saved despite his murder of others and despite his own suicide. Again, George Sodini is an example of Hyper Grace.

Hello brother. Hmmm… but did this guy repent? Only God knows the heart. Grace is grace. I’m not sure how grace can be called ”hyper.” Please explain.

Its the new term used legalistic teachers to keep people from seeing what they are really saying.

"they are not really grace, they are hypergrace"

I think they do this, because they claim they teach grace themselves.

You appear to be misunderstanding something that I said with Scripture.
I am saying that those false believers who slipped in among the real believers justify sin in some way and they do so more covertly. They are not the Hyper Grace Christians who make it obvious that one can sin and still be saved (Turning God’s grace into a license for immorality).

I am not even sure where you even stand on this issue.
Do you believe in Hyper Grace? Meaning, do you believe like George Sodini? George Sodini is a Hyper Grace Christian who thought he was saved even when he murdered some people and he took his own life. He wrote in his suicide letter (so-to-speak) that he would be saved by a belief in Jesus despite his wrong actions. Even his own church said he was saved despite the crimes he committed. Do you believe like he does?

There ain’t no such thing as a Hyper Grace Christian. That doesn’t even compute. Nope.

So do you believe George Sodini was saved despite him killing others and taking his own life? He said in his suicide letter (so-to-speak) that he would be saved despite what he did because he has a belief alone in Jesus as his Savior. Do you believe other Christians can abide in excessive amounts of sin and be saved while they commit those sins all because they have a belief alone on Jesus as their Savior?

A simple, “Yes,” or “No” would be preferable.

Thanks.

It’s not for me to say or judge. Didn’t David commit murder? How about the apostle Paul? I believe I’ve already explained this in another post to you. Only God knows who His sheep are and only God knows who is saved or not.

A Christian (Elect/saints) do not abide in “excessive amounts of sin.”

Here is also a good video about OSAS that lists pertaining verses and explains between Christians who struggle against sin and those who practice it:

It’s not for me to say or judge.

Didn’t David commit murder?

How about the apostle Paul?

I believe I’ve already explained this in another post to you. Only God knows who His sheep are and only God knows who is saved or not.

A Christian (Elect/saints) do not abide in “excessive amounts of sin.”

Jesus said we can know false prophets by their fruit (Deeds)

I agree with you that OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) is not biblical. Now, as you may be aware, just because some believer states they deny OSAS does not mean they are correct in regard to the topic of sin and salvation. For example, Free Will Baptists deny OSAS and yet on the other hand, they also believe you can sin and still be saved on some level by having a belief alone in Jesus. They believe the only way to commit apostasy is if you deny Jesus; But they believe you can sin and still be saved as long as you believe in Jesus as your Savior (Which is wrong).

Anyway, I watched most of Vlad’s video. While I agree with you 100% that OSAS or Eternal Security is false, there are some things about Vlad’s teachings that I strongly disagree with.

#1. Vlad mentions Hebrews 6:4-6. Hebrews 6:4-6 is talking about apostasy. Vlad says that God would take the Christian who apostatized back if they desired to do so. But he says the person simply would not want to. That is not what the text says. The Bible basically says that those who have been enlightened, etc. cannot be renewed back to repentance. The Jewish Christians who wanted to escape persecution as a Christian by pretending to be a part of the Jewish’ religion again would in fact be committing apostasy that they cannot repent of. I know it is sad, but this is the reality of the Scriptures in how it reads plainly.

#2. Vlad mentions Galatians 5:4. It states, “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.” Vlad says this is a case where if a person seeks to be justified by good works, they are fallen from grace. But this is talking about the Laws of Moses, and circumcision so as to be saved (See: Galatians 5:2). Remember, Acts 15 addressed this heresy before. A certain sect of Jews tried to convince certain Gentile Christians to be circumcised to be saved and to keep the Laws of Moses. But the apostles at a council had said that they did not have to keep the Laws of Moses. Vlad says on his website, “…we don’t maintain our salvation by doing good works. God’s divine grace saves and sustains us. The grace of God saves but it also teaches us to deny sin.” (Source). Titus 2:11-12 says, “For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;” So yes. It is true that the grace of God teaches us to deny ungodliness. So Vlad is correct on that point of the passage. But he is incorrect by not believing the latter half of Titus 2:12. if you were to carefully read Titus 2:11-12 fully, it also says that His grace teaches us to live righteously and godly in this present world, too. Living righteously involves good works. 1 John 3:7 says he that does righteousness is righteous. 1 John 3:10 co-mingles doing righteousness with also loving your brother as a part of being of God. There are two types of sin.

These are all works of love. They also must be done out of a pure heart of love, as well. We cannot fake it. Paul makes it clear that if we give our body to be burned and we have not love, it profits us nothing. We must have the love of God in us whereby we will love others by our actions and not just in mere words alone.

Vlad appears to only recognize sins of Commission alone. He does not appear to see that there are sins of Omission in the Bible. Galatians 6:8-9 is Paul teaching “well doing” (good works) by sowing to the Spirit to reap eternal life. We are told to keep at this and faint not in this task so we can reap life everlasting. We are not saved by good works in our Initial Salvation when we are first saved by God’s grace through faith when we believe the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and we seek forgiveness with the Lord Jesus Christ (Romans 10:9, Romans 10:13). However, Vlad’s point of bringing up John 15:6 to refute OSAS is actually a refutation of his very own belief in deny Sanctification for salvation (Which involves good works). John 15:6 is proof that you need good works as a part of salvation. If we do not bear fruit which are good works, we will be cut off from the vine and cast into the fire.

#3. In another video here, Vlad says a Christian will go to Heaven if they did not confess a sin. He says we are forgiven of future sin, which is a false teaching. 1 John 1:9 says that if we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins. Nowhere does John say we are forgiven of sins without confessing our sins. Proverbs 28:13 says he that confesses and forsakes sin shall have mercy. Why would Jesus warn us against looking upon a woman in lust (a one time sin), and with it causing us to be in danger of hellfire if we were forgiven of all sin by a belief alone on Jesus? (See: Matthew 5:28-30).

#4. He also twists Scripture in John 10 to suggest that if a Pastor is not delivering demons out of Christians, they are just a hireling. If you were to read John chapter 10, the Shepherd here is only in reference to Jesus Christ, and not pastors. There is also no mention of casting out demons out of Christians, either. He has a whole ministry on casting out demons out of Christians for even minor things. But faithful and true Christians have the Holy Spirit. What fellowship does light have with darkness? See this video here to learn more.

#5. Vlad says demons have sex with certain believers at night time while they are asleep and they have spiritual babies (See this video here). This has to be one of the most bizarre and odd teachings I have ever heard, and it clearly not biblical.

I can't believe Christians are agreeing and liking this video.

Let's look at the verse this person in the video says is conditional

27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. [29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.


Ok this verse has got to be one of the nicest verses in the bible.

How can anyone say that it's conditional that the sheep follow the shepherd ?


Or how can anyone use this verse to reason Osas is a false doctrine because of this verse ?


Is there Ann chance the sheep follow for any other reason than being conditional ?.

This is a sad day in Christianity for me 😞

Here's your problem. Deeds (works) are not fruit. See Gal 5:22-23 for examples of fruit.

I posted the video because I know you can cull some things from it to help you further explain your position. I think he's a Charismatic (?), so I don't agree with everything concerning that.


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Take it up with the author of Galatians.

Take it up with the author of Luke.

I think OSAS believers only tend to be believe some verses in the Bible and ignore other parts of it that are just as important. That's why they don't understand why they see other Christians agreeing and liking the video.

I used to be OSAS as well, but God kept pointing out the other verses that other people ignored and had me pay attention to them, to the point that I no longer believe in OSAS.

That was scary at first when the reality of those verses hit me but God reminded me that as long as I don't leave Him and remain in Him, not resisting His work to change me more and more into His Christlikeness, I'll be okay. That's what it's like for all non-OSAS believers.


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