Daniel 9 Already Fulfilled

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PennEd said:
That they may be called trees of righteousness,
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Then verse 11 in the same chapter says this: For as the earth bringeth forth her bud, and as the garden causeth the things that are sown in it to spring forth; so the Lord GOD will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.

This ties in perfectly with the fulfillment of Daniel 9:24 which says "...to make an end of sins...and to bring in EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS.

In spite of all these prophecies, there has been a lot of resistance to the proper interpretation of Daniel 9:24. Why? Because the minute you admit that none of this has been fulfilled, you must also admit that there is in fact a gap between Daniel's 69th week -- when Messiah was cut off, but not for Himself -- and Daniel's 70th week in which the Antichrist is active.
 
Dino246

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Everlasting-Grace said:
Look at these 2 passages, they speak of 2 different events.

again, 70 Ad was 40 years after the 69th Week. It would have been almost the 75th week.

There also was not abpmination of desolation in 70 AD.. They did not put an idol in the holy place rendering it unclean, they destroyed the temple..

all these things happen BEFORE the covenant for 1 week bu the future prince
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I guess you missed the first seven words of my post, unfortunately making your post irrelevant.
 
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rrcn said:
Who is the future prince that you referring to?
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The prince of the people who destroyed the city and temple in 70 AD. which means he will be a prince of rome

If you read about Daniels prophecies there are 4 kingdoms.. The last one is split into 2. The one which was in power when Christ died. the other will be in power when Christ returns..
 
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Nope - same event - no two ways about it.
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Nope..

One speaks of 70 AD.. the other speaks of the end time events when the abomination of desolation occurs. It is suttle. But if you open your mind and look, its there
 
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Dino246 said:
I guess you missed the first seven words of my post, unfortunately making your post irrelevant.
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I set daniel 9 aside.

And I spoke of the two passages you gave.

hence unless you can explain otherwise, My comments are very relevent.

70 AD was spoken of in the luke passage

the last days are spoken of in the mathew passage
 
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GaryA said:
The believers headed for the mountains in 67 A.D. when they saw Jerusalem being surrounded by armies - not three years later after the siege when (or, just before) the desolation took place.
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There was no ABOMINATION of desolation in 70 AD. Period
 
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The following is copied from:

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-be-in-the-future.200137/page-29#post-4603180

(referring to Matthew 24)

Verses 16-20 comprise the instructions that the Jew-Christians were to follow according to the recognition of what is being illustrated in verse 15.

'When ye therefore shall see...'

[then]

'follow these instructions'

(And don't waste any time doing it.)

There was a three-year seige before the Romans took the city and destroyed the temple.

The Jew-Christians followed the instructions before/as the seige began.

What did they 'see' - before/as the seige began - three years before the temple was ever touched or destroyed - that they instantly recognized as being what was illustrated in verse 15?

hint:

( whoso readeth, let him understand: )
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
I set daniel 9 aside.

And I spoke of the two passages you gave.
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Perhaps my Post #78 caused @Dino246 to misunderstand what points you were making in your post. If so, I apologize... I didn't intend to draw attention away from your zeroing in on the Olivet Discourse passages. = )
 
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GaryA said:
What did they 'see' - before/as the seige began - three years before the temple was ever touched or destroyed - that they instantly recognized as being what was illustrated in verse 15?
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They saw what was described in Luke 21:20.
 
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GaryA said:
(referring to Matthew 24)

Verses 16-20 comprise the instructions that the Jew-Christians were to follow according to the recognition of what is being illustrated in verse 15.

'When ye therefore shall see...'
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"Therefore when ye shall see the AOD"... the one spoken of in Daniel 12:11 (AOD singular, singular), which verse says of it, "SET UP [H5414]" (this one in Dan12:11 is not the same one as in Dan11:31 pertaining to Antiochus Epiphanes in 165bc)

[then]

'follow these instructions'

(And don't waste any time doing it.)
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^ EDIT for timed-out...

[then]

'follow these instructions'

(And don't waste any time doing it.)
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According to you, "when ye shall SEE the AOD"... Jesus didn't really MEAN they would "SEE the AOD standing in the holy place" as He said, because of your wanting to emphasize the parenthetical comment which you interpret to mean the "A4E [165bc or 167bc]" event (Dan11:31; a past occurrence), instead of what the parenthetical comment actually refers back to (the distinct one in Dan12:11 and the fact of its "SET UP [H5414]" status [and note its timing matters, Dan12:1,6-7,13, etc]... when they shall actually "SEE" such! "standing" in the holy place... then they are to "flee")
 
Dino246

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Everlasting-Grace said:
I set daniel 9 aside.

And I spoke of the two passages you gave.

hence unless you can explain otherwise, My comments are very relevent.

70 AD was spoken of in the luke passage

the last days are spoken of in the mathew passage
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Sorry, I misunderstood. Thanks for your response. I disagree though, and I believe that the two are speaking about exactly the same set of events, not two sets that are separated by about two millenia. I believe your interpretation starts with conclusions about other passages rather than starting with all Scripture in view. However, I doubt we're going to convince each other. :)
 
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PennEd said:
There’s a whole lot more to support a dispensational view than Daniel 9.
Here’s just one.

This is what Jesus read when asked to read Scripture at the Synagogue:

Isaiah 61:
61 “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon Me,
Because the Lord has anointed Me
To preach good tidings to the poor;
He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted,
To proclaim liberty to the captives,
And the opening of the prison to those who are bound;
2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.

He then told them this prophecy was fulfilled in their hearing.

Problem is, there’s no period after “acceptable year of the Lord”. There is a comma. Jesus stopped mid sentence. Thankfully!!!!
That comma has lasted over 2000 years.

Because the rest of the passage reads,

And the day of vengeance of our God;
To comfort all who mourn,
3 To console those who mourn in Zion,
To give them beauty for ashes,
The oil of joy for mourning,
The garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness;
That they may be called trees of righteousness,
The planting of the Lord, that He may be glorified.”
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I'm not a fan of trying to read in punctuation when studying Scripture... I hope that's not what you're doing here?
It seems to me that the remaining portion of Scripture still applies to Christ when He was still on Earth.

And none of that points to some future revelation that takes more than 2000 years to come into being, does it?
 
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PennEd said:
Because the rest of the passage reads,

And the day of vengeance of our God;
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Some people tend to equate this phrase ^ "the DAY of vengeance" of our God, to that of the phrase used in the "70ad-section" of the Olivet Discourse (Lk21:12-24a,b) where v.22 says, "For these be the DAYS of vengeance..."



(I agree that your verse in the quote-box above is describing events yet "future")
 
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GaryA said:
They saw what was described in Luke 21:20.
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Luke 21 speaks of 70 AD. Jerusalem will be destroyed and lay desolate until the times of the gentile is completed

Matt 24 speaks of the end days, where they see the abomination of desolation. After which will be great tribulation such has never been seen before or after. and it will be cut short by the return of Christ.

They are two different events.. One you will know when you see armies surround

the other you will now when you see the abomination of desolation in the temple.
 
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