The Security Of The Believer

You've missed my first point. I hold what you refer to as reformed understanding. This didn't arise from Calvin. My understanding came as a result of reading the Bible.
Again, people believe what they believe independently of the beliefs of others. Calvin had his beliefs. They have nothing to do with my beliefs.

there's the architect of the Doctrine and then the disciples that spin it for their own personal beliefs.
that's what we have here.
so, it's still the same doctrine being passed around here.

Calvin isn't the architect. He merely assembled. The doctrines always existed. And it's immaterial. No one is following Calvin. And no one is quoting him...they are quoting scripture. Whatever they are espousing is their individual belief.

But what is to say they would have concluded what they have without Calvin?

He really is the foundation for this specific viewpoint no matter how many excuses you continue to make.

He's dead. Address people and their arguments. Calvin isn't giving voice to anything. And no one making arguments are making reference to him. It is you and others who make reference to him in your arguments.
Don't you find it odd that the ones you believe are followers of Calvin never reference him, and those who don't want anything to do with him always do?

I'm afraid you don't understand the magnitude of the claim, nor God' grace.

I would be obedient to my parent because they love me beyond my behaviour.

cracks me up, people in here preaching a Reformed Doctrine and have no idea how anything is even defined by their Reformed peers.

i am debating the fact where this Doctrine came from.

The doctrines always existed.

First off, being "afraid" is being in fear which is sinful behavior according to Jesus (Revelation 21:8)

Secondly, what Jesus did at the Cross does NOT make reaping what we sow to go away... to say one can still be saved even if they turn back to living in sin is mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8

Galatians 6:7,8
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Also, Jesus tells us in John 15 that those who do not abide IN Him are cut of... Jesus does not lie like the false teachers spewing OSAS doctrine!

John 15:1,2
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

John 15:5
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

And, God's Word teaches we will be rewarded according to our deeds... those that do good get eternal life, those that do not obey the Truth (ALL of God's Word) get damnation.

Romans 2:5-11
But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
For there is no respect of persons with God.

So what you should do is ask the Lord to help deliver you from false teachers and to deliver you from being a cherry picker and instead start accepting ALL that the Lord says concerning salvation in His Word... View attachment 258720






The fake OSAS doctrine teaches people that they can never lose their salvation even if they decided to continue in their sin rejecting the Lord's discipline... and so they continue in their sin which is the falling away God told us about in His Word that would happen in the end times

This is why some many "christians" these days act just like those in the world that have never been born again.





That's because the false teachers make stuff up as they go along which is need to keep evety one's ears tickled. View attachment 258721





The OSAS doctrine came from the devil... it was his original deception he taught to Adam and Eve... which is, you can sin against God (disobey) and you will not die spiritually (separation from God) even though God said they would die is they disobeyed.

This is the premise for satan's primary deception is... you will still be in right standing with God even when you sin against Him.

It's direct opposition to God's Word which states He is NOT mocked, we reap what we sow and if we sow to the flesh (sin) we shall reap corruption (unrighteousness)

2 Thessalonians 2:10
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

A word of caution to the OSAS peoples... it's time to quit being cherry pickers and start love the Truth which is ALL of God's Word.... Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (whole counsel of God)... just just bits and pieces of God's Word which is how devils lead people in to God's Word as he did with Adam and Eve.



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That's hilarious!

to say one can still be saved even if they turn back to living in sin is mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8

Nothing new under the sun.

The first wave of reformist theologians include Huldrych Zwingli (1484–1531), Martin Bucer (1491–1551), Wolfgang Capito (1478–1541), John Oecolampadius (1482–1531), and Guillaume Farel (1489–1565).

Calvinism is considered the enforcer of the Reformed tradition. Nov 19, 2022

so Calvin is why the Doctrine even exists today because he forced it upon anyone who had ears to listen and hear.

I arrived at OSAS teaching without knowing what calvinism was or what he taught.

Yeah.. what Jimmy here has posted has no context and has been repeated over and over not just by him.

Yeah, those that love the false ear tickling teachers... can't understand it.
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You aren't taking into account the context of the cutting off and judgment passages Jimmy.

A whole church being judged isn't each individual in that church losing eternal life.

Being 'cut off'. ...what is the context?

Is that an individual losing eternal life or being disciplined and rebuked to get back right fellowship with God?

Is it an individual's status as a church member being cut? That also is not losing eternal life.

What is the context of these verses?

The truths of The discipline of God, fellowship, rewards,inheritance,blessings ect, all get lost if we are stuck at the starting line in the race.

We can't live the Christian way of life if we cannot get past salvation.

Good post brother.

Your Original Sealed position is a REFORMED POSITION.

Disagree as you choose but that idealism first began with the REFORMED Movement and has always been their position.

I don't care how independent you claim to be from the REFORMED, but, if you preach a Doctrine they originated then you are preaching a REFORMED DOCTRINE.

Everything first begins with how one interprets the Bible, but, this specific Doctrine today came from Reformers like Calvin

The first wave of reformist theologians include Huldrych Zwingli (1484–1531), Martin Bucer (1491–1551), Wolfgang Capito (1478–1541), John Oecolampadius (1482–1531), and Guillaume Farel (1489–1565).

Calvinism is considered the enforcer of the Reformed tradition. Nov 19, 2022

so Calvin is why the Doctrine even exists today because he forced it upon anyone who had ears to listen and hear.

All of these statements are false because the doctrinal teaching of this thread preceded these reformists by more than 1400 years. You can deny this to your grave, but it will not change the facts. This teaching is distinctly Baptist, and Baptists preceded Catholicism. Educate yourself in church history.

Jesus, Paul and all the other authors taught eternal security. Eternal security was true from the beginning.