Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

People have other concerns that for them are more important. The main doctrines are consistent across a wide variety of translations, making this issue secondary at best.

@JimmyTheLock

Okay. So you are saying Jesus had power as God, but He did not use that power.

First, the NLT does not say that. It says he gave up His divine privileges.
Meaning, the NLT is wrongfully saying that Jesus was like Superman who gave up his superpowers to be with Lois Lane.
This is incorrect and it is not what the KJV says (Which was the trusted Bible for hundreds of years long before the Modern Bibles showed up).

Second, I am not sure you understand or not, but the Modern Bibles are based on an entirely different Hebrew and Greek texts than those of the King James Bible. The texts that underly the Modern Bibles come from Westcott and Hort who were heavily into Catholic practices, and they sympathetic to Unitarianism, Evolution, and Liberalism.

Anyway, lets discuss these verses below that show how Jesus had power as God during His earthly ministry, and how He would have used such power.

Jesus had power as God:
(During His Earthly Ministry and He used that Power):

1. Jesus said He has power to raise the dead to life just as the Father had power to raise the dead (John 5:21).
Please take note that this was said just after Jesus healed the man at the pool of Bethesda. Meaning, Jesus laying claim to ownership to the miracle He just did involving the Pharisees. Yes, he did not bring him back to life physically. But he did make his legs that were dead to come back alive and He also no doubt had led this man to trust in Him (Which is spiritual life). So this is an example of Jesus acting on behalf of his own power.

2. Jesus had the power to forgive sins and give eternal life (Mark 2:7) (Luke 7:44-50) (John 14:6).
This is clearly an act of God here. Only God can truly absolve sin in regards to our salvation and give us eternal life. No man could ever do this. So clearly Jesus is exercising His divine power as God here to do so.

3 Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).
Jesus took away the sins of the world by His death. Only God could do this. Jesus took on our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane in His body. He sweat great drops of blood in this process. No human could do this. Only God could. God is our Savior and not some mere man. Yes, Jesus had a flesh and blood body. No doubt about it. But no mere man has any power for such a task. Only God could truly have the power and strength to carry and take away our sin. In other words, man cannot resist his own sin, and yet for a man to take on the whole sins of the world? Not possible by the strength or power of some mere man alone.

4. Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20). This was said to the people he was around and not to just us today. Meaning, Jesus can be in His spirit among other believers who went away to some other location. Remember, God is Omnipresent. Jesus can be anywhere in His spirit as He desires because He is God. No man has such a power or ability. Only God has this ability. This power must have been exercised because if believers were gathered in His name when Jesus was not around before the cross, He was there with them (just as He said).

5. Jesus can make His home or abode inside of us if we keep His commandments (John 14:15). This is a part of His divine power and or abilities as God. Humans born to two parents cannot make their homes inside other people. Jesus did not say he would only do this after His resurrection, either. He said it to those around Him and therefore Jesus would have exercised this power because some follower of His would have strived to keep His commands.

6 “This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.” (John 2:11). This was a direct statement. Meaning, Christ’s miracle at the wedding of Cana manifested His glory. This was his first miracle done by Jesus, and it was a part of His showing forth His deity as God. The apostle John did not say that the Lord Jesus manifested the Holy Spirit’s glory, but His own glory. So when Jesus turned water into wine, it was an act that manifested His own power as the Son of God.

7. ”And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.” (John 14:13-14). This was said by Jesus before the cross, and answering prayers is definitely a divine act of God. Please pay close attention to what Jesus said. He said, “I will do it“ in reference to answering prayer. So if a person prays for a healing in His name, he will do it. He will be the One who will heal them and do it.


Please address each of these points. Well, I know it is a lot of verses. So take 2-3 of them at a time and please show me how you think that these are not saying Jesus was operating by His own power as God.

By the current conversation I am having with Jimmy, this actually proves otherwise. Many Christians falsely believe Jesus did not have any divine power during His earthly ministry or they believe he did not use that power at all. Why?

As I said before, I do not think it is a coincidence that the removal or watering down of the word “fornication” in Modern Bibles has helped Christians in these past few decades. Today the current thought of the Christian is that fornication is okay. Why? Because there Bible either did not have that word or it was not in there enough to warn them of this sin.

And this affects their daily walk with Jesus how exactly?

That's simply foolish. The problem is not the absence of a word that has no meaning outside of Christian circles, but the inadequate preaching of repentance from and forgiveness of sin, and of teaching people how to deal with relational difficulties.

Also, if we lived before the time of Westcott and Hort, I would not have to be arguing with somebody over the NLT or the ESV renderings. Many would all be on agreement on what the text said in English.

Yes. Christians can thank Westcott and Hort (W & H) for DELIBERATELY undermining the Received Text and the King James Bible. What most Christians do not know are these facts:

1. The King James Bible was translated primarily because the Puritans in the Church of England were not too happy with the Bishop's Bible then in use. So the KJB cannot be divorced from the Church of England. Under King James I it became "The Authorized Version" "appointed to be read in churches".

2. in the 19th century the Church of England decided to make a very minimalist revision of the KJB , and created a Revision Committee. Those instructions were totally disregarded.

3. There were only a few conservative scholars in the Church of England who would have ensured that only what was absolutely necessary would be revised, and the KJB would remain as such. F.H.A. Scrivener was the leading conservative scholar on the Revision Committee.

4. However Brooke Foss (B.F.) Westcott and Fenton John Anthony (F.J.A.) Hort were clearly not conservative, and had a scheme to do as much damage to the KJB and the Received Text as possible. And they succeeded.

5. They produced their fanciful theory about the Received Text, and undermined it completely. Then they created a "critical text" based upon THE MOST CORRUPT Greek manuscripts (Aleph. A, B, C, D, and E) and using this they created the Revised Version of 1881.

6. Scrivener tried to stop this damage but he was overruled by most of the committee. In the end the Revised Version (RV) ended up with thousands of alterations, and became the first corrupt modern bible version.

Dean John William Burgon (commended by Scrivener) did a thorough critique of the damage done by W&H in The Revision Revised. Amazon.ca (which has this book) has a very good comment on this book:

"The importance of this book cannot be underestimated. There is no one book that exposes Westcott and Hort's false Greek Text and false Greek theory behind that text any more thoroughly and convincingly than The Revision Revised. Dean Burgon defends the traditional text of the New Testament. He shows clearly the defects in both manuscript "B" (Vaticanus) and manuscript "Aleph" (Sinaiticus). It is very important to see the arguments contained in this historic volume because virtually the same Greek text of Westcott and Hort (1881) FORMS THE BASIS OF ALMOST ALL OF THE MODERN VERSIONS AND PERVERSIONS. See the Appendix pages 2-3."

Philippians 2:7
he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,

Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin.

What you are failing to understand is... even though Jesus was the Son of God... in His early live and ministry He did not living as being All powerful and instead gave up His divine privileges and walked as a man that was filled wiht the Holy Ghost empowered by the Spirit for ministry (he did no miracles before the Holy Ghost came upon Him to empower Him for ministry)

In His everyday life as well as in His ministry He did actually have faith and walked in faith as well as all the other 8 fruit of the Spirit. If He did not, then that would have been sinful. Jesus was tempted as we are in all the same things we are tempted and tried with... and by faith He overcame the world without giving in to sin.

1 John 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Walking in faith, submitting Himself unto the Father resisting the devil is HOW Jesus overcame the things of this world which is how was are supposed to be walking as well.

So, if you want to believe in error that Jesus lived in unbelief and that He used special strength and abilities we don't have access to thru God's Word and the Holy Ghost... that would be falling to more deception from 'ol slewfoot.

If one claims Jesus did not have faith... they must also claim he did not have the fruit of the spirit which are: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. (Galatians 5:22,23)

Jesus walk in ALL of these attributes... and since He has all theser attibutes, we have access to these as well IF we are walking in the leading and empowerment of the Holy Ghost like Jesus did in His earthly life.!

Does it specify which gov or does this apply to all? how about Hamas...they were the gov in Gaza up to a couple of mths ago

should we obey Hamas?

I don't cause it's not a thing.

The internet archive has this book digitized. So one can read it free there.

https://archive.org/details/revisionrevised0000john/page/n5/mode/2up

But it definitely would be better to read the printed version.

Have you ever heard of the website: brandplucked

That's a fundamental misunderstanding of the word "faith". Faith is belief in the unknown, and Jesus does know the Father because he and the Father are one.

Yes. Will Kinney has some of the best articles defending the King James Bible. He has recently moved his website to brandplucked.com.

https://www.brandplucked.com/kjbarticles.htm

I have seen a couple of Will’s KJB debates at the “StandingForTruth” Channel, which are really good.
I have also talked with Will by email and had him look at my 101 Reasons for the KJB PDF (Which is still a work in progress).
It will be a free PDF for all Christians. I am hoping to have it released next Spring if all goes well. I had a few other King James bible believers check it out already to help fix anything that needs improvement.

@JimmyTheLock

Okay. Also, does not Hebrews 11:1 say that faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things NOT SEEN?
So faith is not something you see, right? Do you agree with Hebrews 11:1 in that it is not something you see?

Meaning, if you have seen GOD the Father, and Heaven, would you still need to have faith? No. Because you have seen God and Heaven and there is no reason to have any faith anymore because faith is the evidence of things not seen.

Jesus said He sees the Father in Scripture (See:: John 5).
Jesus said He came down from Heaven (See: John 6).

So again, how can Jesus have faith if He seen God and Heaven?
You need to address these points if you have any hope to explain why you believe Jesus had faith.
If not, you are not addressing the Bible’s definition of faith.

Jesus is God. And He will always be Faithful.
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

- Revelation 19:11 (KJV)

The government over the nation you are in, regardless of how corrupt they are. If a corrupt government like Hammas commands people to do something ungodly, then by all means you must disobey, otherwise, you must obey everything else they say.

In Mark 12:17 Jesus says - “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and give to God the things that are God's.”

In Mathew 5:41 Jesus says "And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him two." - He is talking about the Roman law where soldiers can pick anybody on the street and force them to carry their gear for up to one mile.

Roman Caesars were extremely corrupt, and evil, took over nations by force, and committed uncountable atrocities, but Jesus still said to Pay taxes and obey their laws.

Bible_Highlighter posted:
Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you in disagreement with me on how Jesus had power as God and used that power during His Earthly ministry?