Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

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Jesus had power as God:
(During His Earthly Ministry):

John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Life eternal requires an accurate understanding of the relationship between the one true God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
There are things that only the Father knows. That alone means two unique intelligences. Christ is the image of the invisible God (the Father) because the Father expresses Himself in our reality through Christ by His Holy Spirit.
Col 1: 15-17 Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation (every creature). For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers - all things were created by Him, and for Him. And he is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
Our reality is in the mind of the Father. That is why He knows all things, is everywhere, is all powerful, and can do all things. The Father interacts with our reality through Christ, who is a Spirit with His own mind but is also filled with the Spirit of the Father who formed Him. Just like Christ is the temple of the invisible Father, we are the temple of both the Father and the Son because they both reside in us who are saved.
Col 1: 26-27, 29 Even (that is) the mystery which hath been hidden from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints, to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory (Holy Spirit) of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory; For this I also labor, striving according to His working, which worketh in me mightily.
The key to understanding the mystery of what really is going on in the Bible is understanding the Holy Spirit. The problem is that only those that have received the Holy Spirit can fully understand the Holy Spirit. Since understanding is a work in progress, my goal is to facilitate this understanding for those that are able.
Isaiah 63: 9-10 In all their affliction He was afflicted, and the angel of His presence saved them; and in His pity He redeemed them; and He bore them, and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled, and vexed His Holy Spirit; therefore, He was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
In this scripture Isaiah is stating that the Holy Spirit is the angel of God's (the Father's) presence. Where His Holy Spirit is, the Father is.
1Cor 3: 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Christ is the image of the invisible God (the Father) because Christ is filled (without measure) with the Holy Spirit of the Father. Our reality is in the mind of the Father. That is why the Father knows everything, is everywhere, can do anything, transcends time, etc. The Father has a mind, will, and heart and is loving and just. The Father creates an image of Himself (Christ) with his own mind, heart, and will and together they created our reality. That is when the beginning started for us. The Father interacts with our reality through His Son for whom and by whom our reality was created. He does this by being present in Christ's being in order to reveal His will and to empower Him to fulfill it. The Son sits on the right hand of the Father because the Son obeys the Father's will in our reality. Christ is the temple of the Father, but is not the Father. The Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father because they share the same Spirit of the Father. That is why Christ is One with the Father. When we receive the Holy Spirit of the Father, we become One with the Father and the Son.
Eph 1: 17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him.
It is the Father who is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ and who is the Father of Glory (His Holy Spirit) because it is through His Holy Spirit that the Father communicates and empowers.
Matt 10: 19-20 But when they deliver you up, be not anxious how or what ye shall speak; for it shall be given you in the same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaketh in you.
The Father speaks through those who are indwelled with His Holy Spirit.
Mark 2: 5-7 When Jesus saw their faith, He said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins are forgiven thee. But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God only? This is another example of the Father speaking through Jesus.
John 14: 10-11 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you, I speak not of myself; but the Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very works' sake.
John 14: 23-26 Jesus answered, and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words; and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings; and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's, who sent me. These things have I spoken unto you, being present with you. But the Comforter, who is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your rememberance, whatever I have said unto you.
Acts 10: 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit, and with power; who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with Him.
1 Sam 10: 6, 10 And the Spirit of the Lord will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man. And when they came there to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him, and he prophesied among them. To prophesy doesn't just mean to foretell the future. It means that you can also communicate with God and God with you and through you.
Psalms 139: 17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! How great is the sum of them!
2 Sam 23: 2 The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me, and His word was in my tongue.
2 Chron 18: 13 And Micaiah said, As the Lord liveth, even (that is) what my God saith, that will I speak.
2 Chron 24: 20 And the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah, the son of Jehoiada, the priest, who stood above the people, and said unto them, Thus saith God: Why transgress ye the commandments of the Lord, that ye cannot prosper? Because ye have forsaken the Lord, he hath also foraken you.
Rev 21: 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God (Christ) is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God himself (the Father) shall be with them, and be their God. That's because Christ is filled with the Holy Spirit of the Father. Where the Holy Spirit is, the Father is. When Christ sits on the throne, so will the Father that is in Him.

 

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@JimmyTheLock

Okay. Also, does not Hebrews 11:1 say that faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things NOT SEEN?
So faith is not something you see, right? Do you agree with Hebrews 11:1 in that it is not something you see?

Meaning, if you have seen GOD the Father, and Heaven, would you still need to have faith? No. Because you have seen God and Heaven and there is no reason to have any faith anymore because faith is the evidence of things not seen.

Jesus said He sees the Father in Scripture (See:: John 5).
Jesus said He came down from Heaven (See: John 6).

So again, how can Jesus have faith if He seen God and Heaven?
You need to address these points if you have any hope to explain why you believe Jesus had faith.
If not, you are not addressing the Bible’s definition of faith.

 

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People have other concerns that for them are more important. The main doctrines are consistent across a wide variety of translations, making this issue secondary at best.

By the current conversation I am having with Jimmy, this actually proves otherwise. Many Christians falsely believe Jesus did not have any divine power during His earthly ministry or they believe he did not use that power at all. Why? The Modern Bibles corrupted and or muddied their thinking to believe this way falsely. As I said before, I do not think it is a coincidence that the removal or watering down of the word “fornication” in Modern Bibles has helped Christians in these past few decades. Today the current thought of the Christian is that fornication is okay. Why? Because there Bible either did not have that word or it was not in there enough to warn them of this sin.

 

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John 17: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Life eternal requires an accurate understanding of the relationship between the one true God, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Yes, one needs to eventually accept the Trinity or the Godhead as taught in Scripture. But knowledge of the Trinity is not necessary to be initially saved. But I would agree that once the truth of the Trinity is revealed to a person and they reject that truth, they are not saved.

But to also “know God” is not only to accept such truth in Scripture, but we also have to keep His commandments as a part of truly knowing Him (See: 1 John 2:3-4). Note: This would be the commands from Jesus and His followers and not the 613 of Laws of Moses. Christians do not have to keep the Saturday Sabbath, dietary Laws, circumcision, holy days, etcetera.

There are things that only the Father knows. That alone means two unique intelligences. Christ is the image of the invisible God (the Father) because the Father expresses Himself in our reality through Christ by His Holy Spirit.

Not sure what you are trying to say by bringing this point up.

Col 1: 15-17 Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of all creation (every creature). For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers - all things were created by Him, and for Him. And he is before all things, and by Him all things consist.
Our reality is in the mind of the Father. That is why He knows all things, is everywhere, is all powerful, and can do all things. The Father interacts with our reality through Christ, who is a Spirit with His own mind but is also filled with the Spirit of the Father who formed Him. Just like Christ is the temple of the invisible Father, we are the temple of both the Father and the Son because they both reside in us who are saved.

Only applicable to believers in His Word. His Word requires believers to trust in the saving gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and it requires us to trust that God has also chosen us to salvation through the Sanctification of the Spirit and a belief of the truth according to 2 Thessalonians 2:13. Without holiness, no man shall see the Lord.

Col 1: 26-27, 29 Even (that is) the mystery which hath been hidden from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints, to whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory (Holy Spirit) of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory; For this I also labor, striving according to His working, which worketh in me mightily.
The key to understanding the mystery of what really is going on in the Bible is understanding the Holy Spirit. The problem is that only those that have received the Holy Spirit can fully understand the Holy Spirit. Since understanding is a work in progress, my goal is to facilitate this understanding for those that are able.

Using paragraphs and separating your comments from Scripture would be more beneficial to understanding what you are trying to say, my friend. But I appreciate the effort. Most in my experience today are out to either justify sin in some way or they don’t want to trust something in God’s Word (like the doctrine of preservation, etcetera).

Isaiah 63: 9-10 In all their affliction He was afflicted, and the angel of His presence saved them; and in His pity He redeemed them; and He bore them, and carried them all the days of old. But they rebelled, and vexed His Holy Spirit; therefore, He was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.
In this scripture Isaiah is stating that the Holy Spirit is the angel of God's (the Father's) presence. Where His Holy Spirit is, the Father is.

This is a metaphor. The Holy Spirit is not literally an angel but He is the third person of the Trinity or Godhead. See 1 John 5:7 in the King James Bible.

1Cor 3: 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Christ is the image of the invisible God (the Father) because Christ is filled (without measure) with the Holy Spirit of the Father. Our reality is in the mind of the Father. That is why the Father knows everything, is everywhere, can do anything, transcends time, etc. The Father has a mind, will, and heart and is loving and just. The Father creates an image of Himself (Christ) with his own mind, heart, and will and together they created our reality. That is when the beginning started for us. The Father interacts with our reality through His Son for whom and by whom our reality was created. He does this by being present in Christ's being in order to reveal His will and to empower Him to fulfill it. The Son sits on the right hand of the Father because the Son obeys the Father's will in our reality. Christ is the temple of the Father, but is not the Father. The Father is in the Son and the Son is in the Father because they share the same Spirit of the Father. That is why Christ is One with the Father. When we receive the Holy Spirit of the Father, we become One with the Father and the Son.

But there are certain things in this life that have not entered into the mind of God.

Jeremiah 32:35
“And they built the high places of Baal, which are in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire unto Molech; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my mind, that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.”

Eph 1: 17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the Spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him.
It is the Father who is the God of our Lord Jesus Christ and who is the Father of Glory (His Holy Spirit) because it is through His Holy Spirit that the Father communicates and empowers.
Matt 10: 19-20 But when they deliver you up, be not anxious how or what ye shall speak; for it shall be given you in the same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaketh in you.
The Father speaks through those who are indwelled with His Holy Spirit.
Mark 2: 5-7 When Jesus saw their faith, He said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins are forgiven thee. But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts, Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God only? This is another example of the Father speaking through Jesus.
John 14: 10-11 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you, I speak not of myself; but the Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me; or else believe me for the very works' sake.
John 14: 23-26 Jesus answered, and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words; and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings; and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's, who sent me. These things have I spoken unto you, being present with you. But the Comforter, who is the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, He shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your rememberance, whatever I have said unto you.
Acts 10: 38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit, and with power; who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with Him.
1 Sam 10: 6, 10 And the Spirit of the Lord will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man. And when they came there to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him, and he prophesied among them. To prophesy doesn't just mean to foretell the future. It means that you can also communicate with God and God with you and through you.
Psalms 139: 17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! How great is the sum of them!
2 Sam 23: 2 The Spirit of the Lord spoke by me, and His word was in my tongue.
2 Chron 18: 13 And Micaiah said, As the Lord liveth, even (that is) what my God saith, that will I speak.
2 Chron 24: 20 And the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah, the son of Jehoiada, the priest, who stood above the people, and said unto them, Thus saith God: Why transgress ye the commandments of the Lord, that ye cannot prosper? Because ye have forsaken the Lord, he hath also foraken you.
Rev 21: 3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God (Christ) is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God himself (the Father) shall be with them, and be their God. That's because Christ is filled with the Holy Spirit of the Father. Where the Holy Spirit is, the Father is. When Christ sits on the throne, so will the Father that is in Him.

Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you in disagreement with me on how Jesus had power as God and used that power during His Earthly ministry?

 

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@JimmyTheLock

Okay. So you are saying Jesus had power as God, but He did not use that power.

First, the NLT does not say that. It says he gave up His divine privileges.
Meaning, the NLT is wrongfully saying that Jesus was like Superman who gave up his superpowers to be with Lois Lane.
This is incorrect and it is not what the KJV says (Which was the trusted Bible for hundreds of years long before the Modern Bibles showed up).

Second, I am not sure you understand or not, but the Modern Bibles are based on an entirely different Hebrew and Greek texts than those of the King James Bible. The texts that underly the Modern Bibles come from Westcott and Hort who were heavily into Catholic practices, and they sympathetic to Unitarianism, Evolution, and Liberalism.

Anyway, lets discuss these verses below that show how Jesus had power as God during His earthly ministry, and how He would have used such power.

Jesus had power as God:
(During His Earthly Ministry and He used that Power):

1. Jesus said He has power to raise the dead to life just as the Father had power to raise the dead (John 5:21).
Please take note that this was said just after Jesus healed the man at the pool of Bethesda. Meaning, Jesus laying claim to ownership to the miracle He just did involving the Pharisees. Yes, he did not bring him back to life physically. But he did make his legs that were dead to come back alive and He also no doubt had led this man to trust in Him (Which is spiritual life). So this is an example of Jesus acting on behalf of his own power.

2. Jesus had the power to forgive sins and give eternal life (Mark 2:7) (Luke 7:44-50) (John 14:6).
This is clearly an act of God here. Only God can truly absolve sin in regards to our salvation and give us eternal life. No man could ever do this. So clearly Jesus is exercising His divine power as God here to do so.

3 Jesus had power to take away the sins of the entire world (John 1:29).
Jesus took away the sins of the world by His death. Only God could do this. Jesus took on our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane in His body. He sweat great drops of blood in this process. No human could do this. Only God could. God is our Savior and not some mere man. Yes, Jesus had a flesh and blood body. No doubt about it. But no mere man has any power for such a task. Only God could truly have the power and strength to carry and take away our sin. In other words, man cannot resist his own sin, and yet for a man to take on the whole sins of the world? Not possible by the strength or power of some mere man alone.

4. Jesus Christ said wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am among them (Matthew 18:20). This was said to the people he was around and not to just us today. Meaning, Jesus can be in His spirit among other believers who went away to some other location. Remember, God is Omnipresent. Jesus can be anywhere in His spirit as He desires because He is God. No man has such a power or ability. Only God has this ability. This power must have been exercised because if believers were gathered in His name when Jesus was not around before the cross, He was there with them (just as He said).

5. Jesus can make His home or abode inside of us if we keep His commandments (John 14:15). This is a part of His divine power and or abilities as God. Humans born to two parents cannot make their homes inside other people. Jesus did not say he would only do this after His resurrection, either. He said it to those around Him and therefore Jesus would have exercised this power because some follower of His would have strived to keep His commands.

6 “This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.” (John 2:11). This was a direct statement. Meaning, Christ’s miracle at the wedding of Cana manifested His glory. This was his first miracle done by Jesus, and it was a part of His showing forth His deity as God. The apostle John did not say that the Lord Jesus manifested the Holy Spirit’s glory, but His own glory. So when Jesus turned water into wine, it was an act that manifested His own power as the Son of God.

7. ”And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.” (John 14:13-14). This was said by Jesus before the cross, and answering prayers is definitely a divine act of God. Please pay close attention to what Jesus said. He said, “I will do it“ in reference to answering prayer. So if a person prays for a healing in His name, he will do it. He will be the One who will heal them and do it.


Please address each of these points. Well, I know it is a lot of verses. So take 2-3 of them at a time and please show me how you think that these are not saying Jesus was operating by His own power as God.

Correction. I meant to say when Jesus healed the man near the pool of Bethesda and the Pharisees got upset because he did this on the Sabbath. I am not saying that the miracle included the Pharisees by being healed. They merely witnessed to what was going on and they got upset. Jesus laid claim to the healing He did involving the man near the pool.

 

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By the current conversation I am having with Jimmy, this actually proves otherwise. Many Christians falsely believe Jesus did not have any divine power during His earthly ministry or they believe he did not use that power at all. Why?

And this affects their daily walk with Jesus how exactly?

As I said before, I do not think it is a coincidence that the removal or watering down of the word “fornication” in Modern Bibles has helped Christians in these past few decades. Today the current thought of the Christian is that fornication is okay. Why? Because there Bible either did not have that word or it was not in there enough to warn them of this sin.

That's simply foolish. The problem is not the absence of a word that has no meaning outside of Christian circles, but the inadequate preaching of repentance from and forgiveness of sin, and of teaching people how to deal with relational difficulties.

 

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And this affects their daily walk with Jesus how exactly?

John 12:48 says if we do not receive His words, those words will judge us on the last day. Jesus spoke God’s words, and quoted Scripture as an authority. So any verse or passage we do not accept about how God describes Himself, I do not think the Lord will take that lightly. For example: I do not believe a person can reject the Trinity and be saved because they would be worshiping a false God. If we reject how Jesus is shown in Scripture, this is not good. Granted, I am not saying a person is not saved if they deny Jesus had power during His earthly ministry. But I know that if they keep rejecting the Scriptures, nothing good is going to come out of it for sure. Also, if we lived before the time of Westcott and Hort, I would not have to be arguing with somebody over the NLT or the ESV renderings. Many would all be on agreement on what the text said in English.

That's simply foolish. The problem is not the absence of a word that has no meaning outside of Christian circles, but the inadequate preaching of repentance from and forgiveness of sin, and of teaching people how to deal with relational difficulties.

See the videos in post #1616. Really. I would like your opinion on them. They are not that long to watch. I have seen them before, and I watched the two again and I am still stunned how people cannot see how false Modern Scholarship is. Just indulge me. Check it out and let me know what you think. Do you have answers for what is discussed in these videos? Please. Check it out. Thank you.

 

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Also, if we lived before the time of Westcott and Hort, I would not have to be arguing with somebody over the NLT or the ESV renderings. Many would all be on agreement on what the text said in English.

Yes. Christians can thank Westcott and Hort (W & H) for DELIBERATELY undermining the Received Text and the King James Bible. What most Christians do not know are these facts:

1. The King James Bible was translated primarily because the Puritans in the Church of England were not too happy with the Bishop's Bible then in use. So the KJB cannot be divorced from the Church of England. Under King James I it became "The Authorized Version" "appointed to be read in churches".

2. in the 19th century the Church of England decided to make a very minimalist revision of the KJB , and created a Revision Committee. Those instructions were totally disregarded.

3. There were only a few conservative scholars in the Church of England who would have ensured that only what was absolutely necessary would be revised, and the KJB would remain as such. F.H.A. Scrivener was the leading conservative scholar on the Revision Committee.

4. However Brooke Foss (B.F.) Westcott and Fenton John Anthony (F.J.A.) Hort were clearly not conservative, and had a scheme to do as much damage to the KJB and the Received Text as possible. And they succeeded.

5. They produced their fanciful theory about the Received Text, and undermined it completely. Then they created a "critical text" based upon THE MOST CORRUPT Greek manuscripts (Aleph. A, B, C, D, and E) and using this they created the Revised Version of 1881.

6. Scrivener tried to stop this damage but he was overruled by most of the committee. In the end the Revised Version (RV) ended up with thousands of alterations, and became the first corrupt modern bible version.

Dean John William Burgon (commended by Scrivener) did a thorough critique of the damage done by W&H in The Revision Revised. Amazon.ca (which has this book) has a very good comment on this book:

"The importance of this book cannot be underestimated. There is no one book that exposes Westcott and Hort's false Greek Text and false Greek theory behind that text any more thoroughly and convincingly than The Revision Revised. Dean Burgon defends the traditional text of the New Testament. He shows clearly the defects in both manuscript "B" (Vaticanus) and manuscript "Aleph" (Sinaiticus). It is very important to see the arguments contained in this historic volume because virtually the same Greek text of Westcott and Hort (1881) FORMS THE BASIS OF ALMOST ALL OF THE MODERN VERSIONS AND PERVERSIONS. See the Appendix pages 2-3."

 

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Yes. Christians can thank Westcott and Hort (W & H) for DELIBERATELY undermining the Received Text and the King James Bible. What most Christians do not know are these facts:

1. The King James Bible was translated primarily because the Puritans in the Church of England were not too happy with the Bishop's Bible then in use. So the KJB cannot be divorced from the Church of England. Under King James I it became "The Authorized Version" "appointed to be read in churches".

2. in the 19th century the Church of England decided to make a very minimalist revision of the KJB , and created a Revision Committee. Those instructions were totally disregarded.

3. There were only a few conservative scholars in the Church of England who would have ensured that only what was absolutely necessary would be revised, and the KJB would remain as such. F.H.A. Scrivener was the leading conservative scholar on the Revision Committee.

4. However Brooke Foss (B.F.) Westcott and Fenton John Anthony (F.J.A.) Hort were clearly not conservative, and had a scheme to do as much damage to the KJB and the Received Text as possible. And they succeeded.

5. They produced their fanciful theory about the Received Text, and undermined it completely. Then they created a "critical text" based upon THE MOST CORRUPT Greek manuscripts (Aleph. A, B, C, D, and E) and using this they created the Revised Version of 1881.

6. Scrivener tried to stop this damage but he was overruled by most of the committee. In the end the Revised Version (RV) ended up with thousands of alterations, and became the first corrupt modern bible version.

Dean John William Burgon (commended by Scrivener) did a thorough critique of the damage done by W&H in The Revision Revised. Amazon.ca (which has this book) has a very good comment on this book:

"The importance of this book cannot be underestimated. There is no one book that exposes Westcott and Hort's false Greek Text and false Greek theory behind that text any more thoroughly and convincingly than The Revision Revised. Dean Burgon defends the traditional text of the New Testament. He shows clearly the defects in both manuscript "B" (Vaticanus) and manuscript "Aleph" (Sinaiticus). It is very important to see the arguments contained in this historic volume because virtually the same Greek text of Westcott and Hort (1881) FORMS THE BASIS OF ALMOST ALL OF THE MODERN VERSIONS AND PERVERSIONS. See the Appendix pages 2-3."

The internet archive has this book digitized. So one can read it free there.

https://archive.org/details/revisionrevised0000john/page/n5/mode/2up

But it definitely would be better to read the printed version.

 

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Philippians 2:7
he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,

Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who was tempted in every way that we are, yet was without sin.

What you are failing to understand is... even though Jesus was the Son of God... in His early live and ministry He did not living as being All powerful and instead gave up His divine privileges and walked as a man that was filled wiht the Holy Ghost empowered by the Spirit for ministry (he did no miracles before the Holy Ghost came upon Him to empower Him for ministry)

In His everyday life as well as in His ministry He did actually have faith and walked in faith as well as all the other 8 fruit of the Spirit. If He did not, then that would have been sinful. Jesus was tempted as we are in all the same things we are tempted and tried with... and by faith He overcame the world without giving in to sin.

1 John 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Walking in faith, submitting Himself unto the Father resisting the devil is HOW Jesus overcame the things of this world which is how was are supposed to be walking as well.

So, if you want to believe in error that Jesus lived in unbelief and that He used special strength and abilities we don't have access to thru God's Word and the Holy Ghost... that would be falling to more deception from 'ol slewfoot.

If one claims Jesus did not have faith... they must also claim he did not have the fruit of the spirit which are: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. (Galatians 5:22,23)

Jesus walk in ALL of these attributes... and since He has all theser attibutes, we have access to these as well IF we are walking in the leading and empowerment of the Holy Ghost like Jesus did in His earthly life.!

That's a fundamental misunderstanding of the word "faith". Faith is belief in the unknown, and Jesus does know the Father because he and the Father are one.

 

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Does it specify which gov or does this apply to all? how about Hamas...they were the gov in Gaza up to a couple of mths ago

should we obey Hamas?

The government over the nation you are in, regardless of how corrupt they are. If a corrupt government like Hammas commands people to do something ungodly, then by all means you must disobey, otherwise, you must obey everything else they say.

In Mark 12:17 Jesus says - “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and give to God the things that are God's.”

In Mathew 5:41 Jesus says "And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him two." - He is talking about the Roman law where soldiers can pick anybody on the street and force them to carry their gear for up to one mile.

Roman Caesars were extremely corrupt, and evil, took over nations by force, and committed uncountable atrocities, but Jesus still said to Pay taxes and obey their laws.

 

[NTNT58]

I don't cause it's not a thing.

That's not an argument. The Bible is full of types and antitypes, and this is clearly the case.

 

[John146]

The internet archive has this book digitized. So one can read it free there.

https://archive.org/details/revisionrevised0000john/page/n5/mode/2up

But it definitely would be better to read the printed version.

Have you ever heard of the website: brandplucked

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Have you ever heard of the website: brandplucked

Yes. Will Kinney has some of the best articles defending the King James Bible. He has recently moved his website to brandplucked.com.

https://www.brandplucked.com/kjbarticles.htm

I have seen a couple of Will’s KJB debates at the “StandingForTruth” Channel, which are really good.
I have also talked with Will by email and had him look at my 101 Reasons for the KJB PDF (Which is still a work in progress).
It will be a free PDF for all Christians. I am hoping to have it released next Spring if all goes well. I had a few other King James bible believers check it out already to help fix anything that needs improvement.

 

[Cameron143]

That's a fundamental misunderstanding of the word "faith". Faith is belief in the unknown, and Jesus does know the Father because he and the Father are one.

Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things hoped for; the EVIDENCE of things not seen. Not exactly unknown.

 

[John146]

Yes. Will Kinney has some of the best articles defending the King James Bible. He has recently moved his website to brandplucked.com.

https://www.brandplucked.com/kjbarticles.htm

I have seen a couple of Will’s KJB debates at the “StandingForTruth” Channel, which are really good.
I have also talked with Will by email and had him look at my 101 Reasons for the KJB PDF (Which is still a work in progress).
It will be a free PDF for all Christians. I am hoping to have it released next Spring if all goes well. I had a few other King James bible believers check it out already to help fix anything that needs improvement.

I look forward to your efforts in defending the KJV. I've been following your posts throughout this thread.

 

[selahsays]

@JimmyTheLock

Okay. Also, does not Hebrews 11:1 say that faith is the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things NOT SEEN?
So faith is not something you see, right? Do you agree with Hebrews 11:1 in that it is not something you see?

Meaning, if you have seen GOD the Father, and Heaven, would you still need to have faith? No. Because you have seen God and Heaven and there is no reason to have any faith anymore because faith is the evidence of things not seen.

Jesus said He sees the Father in Scripture (See:: John 5).
Jesus said He came down from Heaven (See: John 6).

So again, how can Jesus have faith if He seen God and Heaven?
You need to address these points if you have any hope to explain why you believe Jesus had faith.
If not, you are not addressing the Bible’s definition of faith.

Jesus is God. And He will always be Faithful.
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

- Revelation 19:11 (KJV)

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Jesus is God. And He will always be Faithful.
And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

- Revelation 19:11 (KJV)

Praise God, sister.

May Jesus get all the glory.

 

[Dino246]

The government over the nation you are in, regardless of how corrupt they are. If a corrupt government like Hammas commands people to do something ungodly, then by all means you must disobey, otherwise, you must obey everything else they say.

In Mark 12:17 Jesus says - “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and give to God the things that are God's.”

In Mathew 5:41 Jesus says "And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him two." - He is talking about the Roman law where soldiers can pick anybody on the street and force them to carry their gear for up to one mile.

Roman Caesars were extremely corrupt, and evil, took over nations by force, and committed uncountable atrocities, but Jesus still said to Pay taxes and obey their laws.

Hamas is not a government. Neither is the RCC.

 

[CorrectiveLens]

Bible_Highlighter posted:
Not sure what you are trying to say here. Are you in disagreement with me on how Jesus had power as God and used that power during His Earthly ministry?

What I'm saying is that Christ is the image of the invisible God (the Father) because Christ is filled with the Holy Spirit of the Father who directs Him as to what to do or say. Jesus had power as God because this power came from the one true God, the Father, who communicated His will and empowered Jesus through His Holy Spirit.
Exodus 6: 3 And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.
Christ appeared to them in the name of the Father but His name is Jehovah. It was the Father that appeared in Spirit because Christ is filled with the Father's Spirit and and the Father, through His Spirit, talks through Christ ( JEHOVAH) (who is a spirit being). Jehovah is the God of the Old Testament because He was the image of the one true God and sits on His right hand which means that the Father's will is accomplished through Christ.
I advise you to reread my post and ponder what I posted. Christ is our Lord, our Savior, and the God of all creation, but the Father is the God of all, including Christ. The Father and Son are two different intelligence and therefore two different entities. The Holy Spirit of the Father is the means through which He interacts with our reality. The Father is the Father of Glory because He gave this glory (means of interaction) to Jesus when He ascended to heaven to get glorified. Now Jesus is also able to interact with those who receive the Father's Holy Spirit and together they abide in the heart of the believer in order to perfect the believer by filling him with the divine love necessary so that the motivation for all thoughts and actions is love for God first, and everyone else as he loves himself. It's pretty clear from the Bible that the Son is subservient to the Father and they are two different beings.