Has anyone found secret messages in the bible?

[NTNT58]

Hamas is not a government. Neither is the RCC.

I don't know about politics in Palestine, but Jesus gave Peter the authority over the other disciples in John 21:17. In Mathew 16:19 Jesus gave Peter the keys to heaven, which is the type/antitype of Isiah 22 where the posterity of the stewart (Peter) are to inherit the authority of the kingdom, proving papal succession to be legitimate. Many other verses also prove RCC authority like Peter always being listed first etc.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

Recently I came across this video on Youtube where the guy uses software to count number of occurrences of certain words in the bible and the King James version is just FILLED completely with all kinds of secret messages.

I downloaded the software (King James Pure Bible Search) and went to work... so far I found prophet Muhammad's birth and death year

I looked up all occurrences and variations of the words false, prophet and Ishmaelite. I got 633 occurences in 570 verses.

false|falsely|falsehood
prophet|prophet's|prophets|
ishmaelite|ishmael|ishmael's|ishmaelites

Now I'm wondering if it's just a coincidence/confirmation bias.

The guy's Youtube channel has a lot of other videos with countless other encoded formulas that make it just about impossible to dismiss the whole thing as coincidence or conspiracy.

Well - if you've got time to waste doing useless stuff that's totally meaningless, I guess that's as good a way as any. If it gets popular enough, it'll probably become part of Roman Catholic "Tradition".

 

[Dino246]

I don't know about politics in Palestine, but Jesus gave Peter the authority over the other disciples in John 21:17.

No, He didn't. He told Peter to "Feed My sheep", not "I give you all authority over the other disciples."

Further, in Matthew 28:18, Jesus said, "All authority in heaven and earth has been given to Me", not "... to you, Peter".

In Mathew 16:19 Jesus gave Peter the keys to heaven, which is the type/antitype of Isiah 22 where the posterity of the stewart (Peter) are to inherit the authority of the kingdom, proving papal succession to be legitimate.

Streeeee *pop*

Nope. Not even remotely. You would do well to take some training in how to read and interpret Scripture... and the word is "steward".

Many other verses also prove RCC authority like Peter always being listed first etc.

That doesn't prove anything about the RCC. You're grasping at straws while walking the plank from a sinking ship.

 

[NTNT58]

No, He didn't. He told Peter to "Feed My sheep", not "I give you all authority over the other disciples."

Further, in Matthew 28:18, Jesus said, "All authority in heaven and earth has been given to Me", not "... to you, Peter".

Jesus only told Peter to feed his sheep, not anyone else. Only a shepherd feeds sheep, not other sheep, meaning Jesus has given his authority (keys) to Peter. Just like in Isiah 22 a king gave the keys to his steward.

Nope. Not even remotely. You would do well to take some training in how to read and interpret Scripture... and the word is "steward".


That doesn't prove anything about the RCC. You're grasping at straws while walking the plank from a sinking ship.

I have dozens of verses backing up my argument, that's not grasping at straws. What do you have other than your rebellious opinions and your feelings of disdain towards the RCC? (feelings, by the way, I share with you). You don't get to dismiss the argument without evidence, and the only thing you refuted is my spelling.


Peter was listed first among disciples (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13).
Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, 17:24-27; Mark 10:23-28).
On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7).
It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32) and Peter is given Christ’s flock to shepherd (John 21:17).
An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ appeared first to Peter (Luke 24:34).
He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41).
He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11) and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23).
He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15) and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11).
It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48).
Jesus gave Peter the keys to heaven in Mathew 16:19 because he was the first one to acknowledge him as the Messiah.
After the Resurrection, Jesus appeared to his disciples and asked Peter three times, “Do you love me?” (John 21:15-17). In repentance for his threefold denial, Peter gave a threefold affirmation of love. Then Christ, the Good Shepherd (John 10:11, 14), gave Peter the authority he earlier had promised: “Feed my sheep” (John 21:17). This specifically included the other apostles, since Jesus asked Peter, “Do you love me more than these?” (John 21:15), the word “these” referring to the other apostles who were present (John 21:2).

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

I look forward to your efforts in defending the KJV. I've been following your posts throughout this thread.

Thank you. May all glory be unto our Lord Jesus Christ.
I am working on doing a major update on my KJB PDF, where I feel I can share it again with other fellow KJB advocates.
But even then, there will still be more work I need to do even afterwards. It’s a lot more work than I imagined, but I know it will be worth it in the end.

Blessings be unto you and your family in the Lord.

 

[JimmyTheLock]

Jesus is said to be separate from sinners and that He is holy, UNDEFILED, and made HIGHER than the heavens. Jesus was harmless. Again, how can Jesus potentially sin?

God's Word says He was tempted in ALL things like we are tempted and He had to overcome those temptation and choose to not sin... something Adam failed to do that Jesus got right.

If it were not possible for Jesus to sin during his walk on earth where He laid aside His divine power to become as mere men... the Holy Spirit would not have led Him to the wilderness for the sole purpose of being tempted by the devil.

In Heaven right now God's glory shines thru the face of the Lord and He is literally glowing with God's almighty power.... when He was here on earth we know he was not glowing like that and God's Word said He was made lower than the angels for the suffering of death.

This does not mean He was not the perfect Son of God, it means He had to become as a normal man in order to walk among men and then suffer death, the literal separation from God for our sins (He said on the Cross... "Father, why have you forsaken me"... so by that we know He was separated from God for out sin as the wages of sin is death)

But Jesus also operated by the Holy Spirit at times

At times??? The Father did all of those great works by the Holy Spirit thru Jesus... according to Jesus

This is how we know Jesus had faith because He walked in ALL the fruit of the Spirit against such their is no law... God's Word said He had their Spirit without measure and this is why we know He had faith... because He had ALL the fruit of the Spirit functioning in His life.

then Jesus could also operate by His own power, as well.

No, that's NOT what Jesus said... He said He does NOTHING except the Father does the work thru Him

If He sees His Father heal, Jesus can do likewise.

That's what I was saying... the Father was doing the works thru Jesus... according to what Jesus tells us.

 

[Niki7]

That's not an argument. The Bible is full of types and antitypes, and this is clearly the case.

this is not an argument forum. it's for discussion which is why it is called the Bible Discussion Forum

yes, the Bible is full of types, metaphors etc and you are full of strange and unbiblical ideas

 

[Niki7]

The government over the nation you are in, regardless of how corrupt they are. If a corrupt government like Hammas commands people to do something ungodly, then by all means you must disobey, otherwise, you must obey everything else they say.

In Mark 12:17 Jesus says - “Give to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and give to God the things that are God's.”

In Mathew 5:41 Jesus says "And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him two." - He is talking about the Roman law where soldiers can pick anybody on the street and force them to carry their gear for up to one mile.

Roman Caesars were extremely corrupt, and evil, took over nations by force, and committed uncountable atrocities, but Jesus still said to Pay taxes and obey their laws.

I don't need a history lesson. If you think a person should disobey Hamas, then they should also disobey whatever any government tells them to do if it goes against God. My point all along. Thanks for agreeing with me.

 

[Niki7]

Seems to be some Peter worship going on in this thread

 

[Niki7]

Jesus gave Peter the authority over the other disciples

right. Then Peter should have been right there with John on Patmos to make sure he got it right.

I wonder what happened to the gospel of Peter though. For that matter how dare that Paul get on Peter's case and tell him he was being a hypocrite.

shocking

 

[Niki7]

I don't know about politics in Palestine, but Jesus gave Peter the authority over the other disciples in John 21:17. In Mathew 16:19 Jesus gave Peter the keys to heaven, which is the type/antitype of Isiah 22 where the posterity of the stewart (Peter) are to inherit the authority of the kingdom, proving papal succession to be legitimate. Many other verses also prove RCC authority like Peter always being listed first etc.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

God's Word says He was tempted in ALL things like we are tempted and He had to overcome those temptation and choose to not sin... something Adam failed to do that Jesus got right.

Do you believe Jesus is God?
Yes, or no?
If yes, then what you are saying is that God can sin.
Perhaps you need to reread and believe 1 John 1:5.

1 John 1:5
“And this is the message we have heard from Him
and announce to you: God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. “

Apparently you think there is darkness in God, which would contradict 1 John 1:5.
Think. If God could potentially sin, there would have to be sin or darkness within Him in order to potentially sin.
How do you believe 1 John 1:5? The short answer is that you don’t believe it.

You need to reread and believe Hebrews 7:26.

Hebrews 7:26
”For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled,
separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens”

Okay, according to this above verse, Jesus is HOLY, harmless, UNDEFILED, and SEPARATE FROM SINNERS, and made higher than the heavens. So do you believe Jesus is undefiled and holy and separate from sinners? No, you don’t believe that. You believe Jesus was defiled in that He could potentially sin. You really don’t believe Jesus is the spotless Lamb. To you, Jesus has some spot to potentially sin like us. You think Jesus is not separate from sinners in the fact He could sin. Again, can God sin? No! That’s a stupid question. We know God cannot potentially sin under any circumstance. God is good. God is love. God is perfect and holy in all He does.

So what of Hebrews 2, and Hebrews 4?

Hebrews 2:18 says,
’For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”

Hebrews 4:15 says,
”For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.“

So let me get this straight. You believe Jesus was tempted to do evil. Meaning, that for a split second or so He considered the idea to sin or that He had a desire within Him to do that sin but He simply did not act on His evil impulses. So you are saying Jesus is not separate from sinners and that He is defiled, which would violate Hebrews 7:26. What you are saying is that Jesus has darkness within Him, which would violate Jesus being God according to 1 John 1:5. You are attacking the deity of Jesus Christ, and this is wrong. Imagine facing the Lord one day and telling Him that He could have sinned? The horror you will face at the Judgment for claiming that He could sin is unimaginable in my mind. So how do we deal with Hebrews 2:18, and Hebrews 4:15? Simple. As I said before, these verses are in reference to EXTERNAL temptation ONLY. In our English language we can say somebody tempted us but yet we had no interest in the temptation given. Example: A strange man off the street comes up to Rick and tries to sell him a bottle of raw sewage. Rick politely declines and says, “No thank you.” Later, when Rick goes over to Bob’s house, he tells him this, “Yeah, some guy came up to me and tempted me with a bottle of raw sewage.” Bob replied, “That’s unbelievable.” So was Rick actually tempted internally by this bottle of raw sewage? No. Most definitely not. A person who would read this example would understand that Rick was saying that he was being EXTERNALLY tempted.

See, what you are not doing is you are not looking at the whole counsel of God’s Word on this matter.

If it were not possible for Jesus to sin during his walk on earth where He laid aside His divine power to become as mere men... the Holy Spirit would not have led Him to the wilderness for the sole purpose of being tempted by the devil.

And that’s your false assumption with no actual backing of Scripture really saying that.

In Heaven right now God's glory shines thru the face of the Lord and He is literally glowing with God's almighty power.... when He was here on earth we know he was not glowing like that and God's Word said He was made lower than the angels for the suffering of death.

While Jesus did have a flesh and blood body of a man, Hebrews 7:26 says Jesus was made HIGHER THAN THE HEAVENS.
You also did not address any of the verses I brought forth, either. This is what I would call an unfair discussion. You are just ignoring all the points in Scripture that refute your belief. Unless you deal with them, there is no point in continuing this conversation. You will simply just believe whatever you want to believe despite the verses I have challenged you with that you have not explained.

Yes, you tried to do this with John 5:21 by pointing out John 5:19, but then I turned around and showed you the latter half of the verse that you did not read that refutes your false thinking.

No, that's NOT what Jesus said... He said He does NOTHING except the Father does the work thru Him

Chapter and verse please.

That's what I was saying... the Father was doing the works thru Jesus... according to what Jesus tells us.

No. You are not reading and believing that verse correctly. Lets review it again.

John 5:19
“Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

Okay so the first part of the verse is saying that Jesus can do nothing of Himself but only what He sees the Father do. Meaning, Jesus is not going to do something unless He sees the Father do it. That’s what the first part of this verse says.

The second part of the verse which you really deny and refuse to accept and believe is that Jesus says that whatever things He does (i.e., the Father does), the Son also DOES LIKEWISE. Meaning, the Son also does the same things He sees the Father do. Jesus is not saying that whatever He sees the Father do, the Father will do through Him. No, no. That’s NOT what it says. It says these also forth the Son LIKEWISE!!!!


Likewise is defined as:

In the same way, or:

In like manner.

Sources:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/likewise
https://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Likewise

So Jesus can do in the same way the same things that the Father does. That’s what John 5:19 says that you have put a blindfold over your eyes so you cannot see what the text says because you simply do not want to see it. You need to address this part.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Do you believe Jesus is God?
Yes, or no?
If yes, then what you are saying is that God can sin.
Perhaps you need to reread and believe 1 John 1:5.

1 John 1:5
“And this is the message we have heard from Him
and announce to you: God is light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. “

Apparently you think there is darkness in God, which would contradict 1 John 1:5.
Think. If God could potentially sin, there would have to be sin or darkness within Him in order to potentially sin.
How do you believe 1 John 1:5? The short answer is that you don’t believe it.

You need to reread and believe Hebrews 7:26.

Hebrews 7:26
”For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled,
separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens”

Okay, according to this above verse, Jesus is HOLY, harmless, UNDEFILED, and SEPARATE FROM SINNERS, and made higher than the heavens. So do you believe Jesus is undefiled and holy and separate from sinners? No, you don’t believe that. You believe Jesus was defiled in that He could potentially sin. You really don’t believe Jesus is the spotless Lamb. To you, Jesus has some spot to potentially sin like us. You think Jesus is not separate from sinners in the fact He could sin. Again, can God sin? No! That’s a stupid question. We know God cannot potentially sin under any circumstance. God is good. God is love. God is perfect and holy in all He does.

So what of Hebrews 2, and Hebrews 4?

Hebrews 2:18 says,
’For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.”

Hebrews 4:15 says,
”For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.“

So let me get this straight. You believe Jesus was tempted to do evil. Meaning, that for a split second or so He considered the idea to sin or that He had a desire within Him to do that sin but He simply did not act on His evil impulses. So you are saying Jesus is not separate from sinners and that He is defiled, which would violate Hebrews 7:26. What you are saying is that Jesus has darkness within Him, which would violate Jesus being God according to 1 John 1:5. You are attacking the deity of Jesus Christ, and this is wrong. Imagine facing the Lord one day and telling Him that He could have sinned? The horror you will face at the Judgment for claiming that He could sin is unimaginable in my mind. So how do we deal with Hebrews 2:18, and Hebrews 4:15? Simple. As I said before, these verses are in reference to EXTERNAL temptation ONLY. In our English language we can say somebody tempted us but yet we had no interest in the temptation given. Example: A strange man off the street comes up to Rick and tries to sell him a bottle of raw sewage. Rick politely declines and says, “No thank you.” Later, when Rick goes over to Bob’s house, he tells him this, “Yeah, some guy came up to me and tempted me with a bottle of raw sewage.” Bob replied, “That’s unbelievable.” So was Rick actually tempted internally by this bottle of raw sewage? No. Most definitely not. A person who would read this example would understand that Rick was saying that he was being EXTERNALLY tempted.

See, what you are not doing is you are not looking at the whole counsel of God’s Word on this matter.



And that’s your false assumption with no actual backing of Scripture really saying that.



While Jesus did have a flesh and blood body of a man, Hebrews 7:26 says Jesus was made HIGHER THAN THE HEAVENS.
You also did not address any of the verses I brought forth, either. This is what I would call an unfair discussion. You are just ignoring all the points in Scripture that refute your belief. Unless you deal with them, there is no point in continuing this conversation. You will simply just believe whatever you want to believe despite the verses I have challenged you with that you have not explained.

Yes, you tried to do this with John 5:21 by pointing out John 5:19, but then I turned around and showed you the latter half of the verse that you did not read that refutes your false thinking.




Chapter and verse please.




No. You are not reading and believing that verse correctly. Lets review it again.

John 5:19
“Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.”

Okay so the first part of the verse is saying that Jesus can do nothing of Himself but only what He sees the Father do. Meaning, Jesus is not going to do something unless He sees the Father do it. That’s what the first part of this verse says.

The second part of the verse which you really deny and refuse to accept and believe is that Jesus says that whatever things He does (i.e., the Father does), the Son also DOES LIKEWISE. Meaning, the Son also does the same things He sees the Father do. Jesus is not saying that whatever He sees the Father do, the Father will do through Him. No, no. That’s NOT what it says. It says these also forth the Son LIKEWISE!!!!


Likewise is defined as:

In the same way, or:

In like manner.

Sources:
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/likewise
https://www.webster-dictionary.org/definition/Likewise

So Jesus can do in the same way the same things that the Father does. That’s what John 5:19 says that you have put a blindfold over your eyes so you cannot see what the text says because you simply do not want to see it. You need to address this part.

Correction in second to the last paragraph.

I meant to say, DOETH and not FORTH.

Meaning, I meant to say in my sentence:
“…That’s NOT what it says. It says these also DOETH the Son LIKEWISE!!!!

I did not mean to say,
“That’s NOT what it says. It says these also forth the Son LIKEWISE!!!!!”

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

God's Word says He was tempted in ALL things like we are tempted and He had to overcome those temptation and choose to not sin... something Adam failed to do that Jesus got right.

If it were not possible for Jesus to sin during his walk on earth where He laid aside His divine power to become as mere men... the Holy Spirit would not have led Him to the wilderness for the sole purpose of being tempted by the devil.

In Heaven right now God's glory shines thru the face of the Lord and He is literally glowing with God's almighty power.... when He was here on earth we know he was not glowing like that and God's Word said He was made lower than the angels for the suffering of death.

This does not mean He was not the perfect Son of God, it means He had to become as a normal man in order to walk among men and then suffer death, the literal separation from God for our sins (He said on the Cross... "Father, why have you forsaken me"... so by that we know He was separated from God for out sin as the wages of sin is death)




At times??? The Father did all of those great works by the Holy Spirit thru Jesus... according to Jesus

This is how we know Jesus had faith because He walked in ALL the fruit of the Spirit against such their is no law... God's Word said He had their Spirit without measure and this is why we know He had faith... because He had ALL the fruit of the Spirit functioning in His life.






No, that's NOT what Jesus said... He said He does NOTHING except the Father does the work thru Him





That's what I was saying... the Father was doing the works thru Jesus... according to what Jesus tells us.

You have to read the Bible with your heart and not just with the head.

Take Isaiah 45:7.

Isaiah 45:7 says,
”I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”

Your argument is like those who say that God literally creates evil in our modern understanding of that word based on Isaiah 45:7.
I have talked with Christians who believe that God directly created evil like sin and the devil, etcetera. But this word “evil” simply means calamity or misfortune. It does not refer to “sin” or the “devil and his kingdom.” But yes. I have had conversations with Christians who do not read their Bible enough and they just conclude the wrong thing about God.

 

[Dino246]

Jesus only told Peter to feed his sheep, not anyone else. Only a shepherd feeds sheep, not other sheep,

That is nonsensical. Anyone can feed sheep, but the shepherd has the responsibility to do so. Jesus was giving Peter responsibility.

meaning Jesus has given his authority (keys) to Peter.

No, responsibility for is not authority over. Nowhere did Jesus indicate that the "sheep" were the other disciples. Further, Peter's ministry was to the Jews (circumcised, Galatians 2:8), not to all peoples.

Just like in Isiah 22 a king gave the keys to his steward.

Already addressed. Not relevant.

I have dozens of verses backing up my argument, that's not grasping at straws.

No, you have dozens of verses that don't actually back up your argument when examined carefully.

What do you have other than your rebellious opinions and your feelings of disdain towards the RCC? (feelings, by the way, I share with you). You don't get to dismiss the argument without evidence, and the only thing you refuted is my spelling.

I dismiss your argument on the basis that your scriptural "evidence" does not support your argument.

Peter was listed first among disciples (Matt. 10:1-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:14-16, Acts 1:13).

Irrelevant. This does not establish or even hint that Peter had authority over them.

Peter was the one who generally spoke for the apostles (Matt. 18:21, Mark 8:29, Luke 12:41, John 6:68-69), and he figured in many of the most dramatic scenes (Matt. 14:28-32, 17:24-27; Mark 10:23-28).

Irrelevant. This does not establish or even hint that Peter had authority over them.

On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds (Acts 2:14-40), and he worked the first healing in the Church age (Acts 3:6-7).

Irrelevant. Neither establishes or even hints that Peter had authority over the other disciples.

It is Peter’s faith that will strengthen his brethren (Luke 22:32).

That's not what the verse says.

An angel was sent to announce the resurrection to Peter (Mark 16:7), and the risen Christ appeared first to Peter (Luke 24:34).

Wrong on both counts. The angel announced the resurrection to the two women at the tomb, who were told to go tell "the disciples and Peter". Two verses later, the text says that Jesus appeared first to Mary Magdalene.

He headed the meeting that elected Matthias to replace Judas (Acts 1:13-26), and he received the first converts (Acts 2:41).

Both irrelevant. He did not exercise any authority over the other disciples.

He inflicted the first punishment (Acts 5:1-11) and excommunicated the first heretic (Acts 8:18-23).

Again, both irrelevant as they say nothing about authority over the other (11) disciples.

He led the first council in Jerusalem (Acts 15) and announced the first dogmatic decision (Acts 15:7-11).

Peter summarized the discussion but nothing indicates that he "led" it, and the words of James, not Peter, were communicated abroad.

It was to Peter that the revelation came that Gentiles were to be baptized and accepted as Christians (Acts 10:46-48).

Again, irrelevant to your point.

Jesus gave Peter the keys to heaven in Mathew 16:19 because he was the first one to acknowledge him as the Messiah.

This passage doesn't give Peter any authority over the other disciples.

After the Resurrection, Jesus appeared to his disciples and asked Peter three times, “Do you love me?” (John 21:15-17). In repentance for his threefold denial, Peter gave a threefold affirmation of love. Then Christ, the Good Shepherd (John 10:11, 14), gave Peter the authority he earlier had promised: “Feed my sheep” (John 21:17). This specifically included the other apostles, since Jesus asked Peter, “Do you love me more than these?” (John 21:15), the word “these” referring to the other apostles who were present (John 21:2).

Already addressed, and incorrect on the matter of authority.

Let's see... that leaves you with... zero out of 18.

You confuse influence and responsibility with authority. They simply are not the same thing.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

God's Word says He was tempted in ALL things like we are tempted and He had to overcome those temptation and choose to not sin... something Adam failed to do that Jesus got right.

BINGO!!!!! it's surprising how many folks don't appear to be aware of this!!!!

If it were not possible for Jesus to sin during his walk on earth where He laid aside His divine power to become as mere men... the Holy Spirit would not have led Him to the wilderness for the sole purpose of being tempted by the devil.

BINGO!!!! Jesus THE MAN was specifically tested IN THE SAME WAY that Eve, and Adam were. Jesus COULD HAVE DECIDED that we weren't worth the trouble, and gone with satan - but He didn't.
Jas 1:14
"But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed".

At times??? The Father did all of those great works by the Holy Spirit thru Jesus... according to Jesus

BINGO!!!! Jesus when HE was with us, operated in EXACTLY THE WAY we can - MIRACLES by the POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT worging in HIM, and also in us according to God's pleasure.

No, that's NOT what Jesus said... He said He does NOTHING except the Father does the work thru Him

ABSOLUTELY!!
Jhn 5:19
"Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise".

Simple as that!!!!

 

[JimmyTheLock]

If yes, then what you are saying is that God can sin.

As we already talked about... Jesus was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death (Hebrews 2:9) so He very obviously laid aside His divine privileges, power and authority so He could go to the Cross and die for us.

This does not mean He wasn't God in the flesh... so don't get all confused as you obviously are about all this.

The reason He never sinned during His earthly life is because... He choose to not fall for satan's temptation which is something WE also are able to do because we too have the Holy Spirit that empowers us to do all things thru Christ (Phil 4:13)

Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Jesus has been where we all have in being tested, tempted, and tried with the evils of this life... and He was an overcomer and did not give in to any of this because He submitted His life to God, resisted the devil forcing him to flee (James 4:7)

It doesn't sound like you have a very good handle of what Jesus came to do... which includes Him living as a man anointed by the Holy Ghost and facing all that we face and choosing to over come the devil by walking in all the fruit of the Spirit.

Apparently you think there is darkness in God, which would contradict 1 John 1:5.

Please show me where I said there is darkness in God... this is your darkened imagination working because your feelings are hurt due to someone not lock step agreeing with you and instead going by what God's Word teaches.

for a split second or so He considered the idea to sin

You obviously do not understand what it means to submit one's life unto the Lord... just because satan tempted Jesus does NOT mean Jesus was thinking about doing sin. That's foolishness fueled by darkened understanding.

The devil temps me sometimes... and I have zero agreement with his temptation and do not consider doing whatever he's trying to get me to do... and I learned this from the Lord. You wouldn't understand.

these verses are in reference to EXTERNAL temptation ONLY.

Duh! All temptation comes from without... it's only when we allow tempation to "enter in" does it choke God's Word from inside of us and we become unfruitful according to Jesus. (see Mark 4:13-20)

what you are not doing is you are not looking at the whole counsel of God’s Word on this matter.

Actually you are twisting and ignoring the whole counsel of God. You can gaslight some of the people some of the time... but you can't gaslight all the people all the time.

Your misunderstanding is embarrassing you!

And that’s your false assumption with no actual backing of Scripture really saying that.

You deny the Holy Spirit led Jesus in to the wilderness to be tempted by the devil???
That figures...

Hebrews 7:26 says Jesus was made HIGHER THAN THE HEAVENS.

Yes, that was His station before He took upon flesh to live as a man here on earth... and this is His current station after He ascended back to Heaven to be seated at the right hand of the Father.

What you fail to understand is... he was made lower than the angels in order to come here and die on the cross... you seem to be denying Jesus died on the cross!

Chapter and verse please.

John 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

I posted this earlier... you must not have been paying attention.

Here's another one you need to be aware of that will help your misunderstanding...

John 5:19
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

The second part of the verse which you really deny and refuse to accept and believe is that Jesus says that whatever things He does (i.e., the Father does), the Son also DOES LIKEWISE. Meaning, the Son also does the same things He sees the Father do. Jesus is not saying that whatever He sees the Father do, the Father will do through Him. No, no. That’s NOT what it says. It says these also forth the Son LIKEWISE!!!!

That's hilarious... I never denied that Jesus said:

John 5:19
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

I certainly hope your misunderstanding gets better... Jesus is NOT separate from the Father!

You need to address this part.

NO, what YOU need to do is accept all that God's Word teaches, including what the Lord says in John 14:10, John 5:19

John 14:10
Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

John 5:19
Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

You have to read the Bible with your heart and not just with the head.

YOU need to quit being a cherry picker and accept the whole counsel of God and quit twisting scripture.... that's why you are so confused about all this.

Isaiah 45:7 says,
”I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”

James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

 

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yes, the Bible is full of types, metaphors etc and you are full of strange and unbiblical ideas

There is nothing strange about the idea of a universal church, and there is nothing unbiblical about the dozens of verses I provided to back it up.

this is not an argument forum. it's for discussion which is why it is called the Bible Discussion Forum

And yet here you are arguing and falsely accusing me.

 

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I don't need a history lesson. If you think a person should disobey Hamas, then they should also disobey whatever any government tells them to do if it goes against God. My point all along. Thanks for agreeing with me.

If you agreed with me, then why are you arguing?

 

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right. Then Peter should have been right there with John on Patmos to make sure he got it right.

Peter was chief, not the only important disciple.

I wonder what happened to the gospel of Peter though.

Then you should look up why it wasn't included and who actually wrote it.

For that matter how dare that Paul get on Peter's case and tell him he was being a hypocrite.

All that means is that Peter did not have the unquestioned authority that modern Popes have claimed for themselves. I never said Peter was infallible.