What if God had written IN STONE?

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Read this. Baptist not only think 10 Commandments are a Works Doctrine, but Read this attachment, they say the 10 Commandments are currently active.

See, they know the Moses Law has ended but claims 10 Commandments still active.

For the Baptist who were against me, you are saying the same thing that 10 Commandments and the LAW are not same thing.
 

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I sincerely doubt the Baptist in this Thread are even aware they adhere to what I have been saying for past 7 pages.

smh
unreal

attacking me but following same viewpoint.

Crazy!
 
The_Watchers_2017

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Yeah, so basically we only differ on the 10 Commandments being a WORKS DOCTRINE, but as far as being separated from Mosaic Law, we're together in unity.

And you have been trying to murder me for past couple days and we BELIEVE THE SAME!!!

LOL, IF THAT'S NOT NUTS, NOTHING IS...
 
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ewq1938 said:
Yes.


Deu 18:15 The LORD thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;
Deu 18:16 According to all that thou desiredst of the LORD thy God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, neither let me see this great fire any more, that I die not.
Deu 18:17 And the LORD said unto me, They have well spoken that which they have spoken.
Deu 18:18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.


Moses as well as God are saying the Messiah would be like Moses and then fast forward to the NT and we have Moses mentioned in the same sentence where *someone* had been a figure of Christ in his life.

Act_3:22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.

Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.


"like unto me"

Moses declares that Jesus would be "like unto me" meaning Jesus would be like Moses!

Moses is saying that he is the figure of the Christ to come. It could not be easier to understand.
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amen!
absolutely agree

But specifically i am asking when Moses breaks the tablets, what is the typology? what's the NT case complement of this event?

is this a. picture of Christ "breaking" the power of the Law? what else can this be?
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Yeah, so basically we only differ on the 10 Commandments being a WORKS DOCTRINE, but as far as being separated from Mosaic Law, we're together in unity.

And you have been trying to murder me for past couple days and we BELIEVE THE SAME!!!

LOL, IF THAT'S NOT NUTS, NOTHING IS...
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well Galatians is quite explicit whether the Law is a doctrine of works or not, saying, the law is not of faith, because it says "do this and live"

so you just have the objection that the Ten Commandments are not law.

which imo is pretty weird, ha!

i am thinking if i ask any random Jew if the decalogue is part of the Law i will get laughed at to my face...

But to test, i will go ask random orthodox Jews.
back in a few days...


prost!
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Read this. Baptist not only think 10 Commandments are a Works Doctrine, but Read this attachment, they say the 10 Commandments are currently active.

See, they know the Moses Law has ended but claims 10 Commandments still active.

For the Baptist who were against me, you are saying the same thing that 10 Commandments and the LAW are not same thing.
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clearly i am not baptist, heh
 
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posthuman said:
amen!
absolutely agree

But specifically i am asking when Moses breaks the tablets, what is the typology? what's the NT case complement of this event?
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Exo 32:19 And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount.

Mar 11:15 And they come to Jerusalem: and Jesus went into the temple, and began to cast out them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves;

Just kidding, but it's a fun comparison.

Breaking the two tables of stone would be like the commandments symbolically being nailed to the cross.
 
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Look here. Whether or not God’s commandments are commands or laws, doesn’t matter. As Christians, everything we do (at least to the best of our ability), we do according to God’s ways.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
I will because this doctrine, if you're Baptist, is going to be easy to destroy.

But I need to finish this article and then look how they explain it in layman's terminology.
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I’m not interested in denominational peculiarities. I asked for evidence for your assertion.
 
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We’re getting very near to the DAY OF THE LORD (which is the Day Jesus returns and the Millennium begins).
What does God say we are to be concerned with in these end times?

Seek the LORD, all you humble of the land, who do his commands; seek righteousness, seek humility; perhaps you may be hidden on the day of the LORD's wrath. - Zephaniah 2:3

I want to be hidden.:) — It is our Father’s kids who follow His ways—laws and commandments.

For in the time of trouble He shall hide me in His pavilion; In the secret place of His tabernacle He shall hide me; He shall set me high upon a rock.

When You said, "Seek My face," My heart said to You, "Your face, LORD, I will seek."

Teach me Your way, O LORD, And lead me in a smooth path, because of my enemies.

- Psalm 27:5,8,11
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses: 'How long refuse ye to keep My commandments and My laws?
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Modern English would imply a distinction (difference) where 'and' is used here, but Old English does not.

'And' in the Old English is often like using 'indeed'.

There are many verses in the Bible that say God and the Father, etc.

I call folly on this assertion.

God's Law IS the 10 Commandments.
 
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posthuman said:
why has the church since the earliest times neither kept it nor taught it was required?
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This was the root of the very first church here in Luke 23:54-56. It was Jesus' closest followers and disciples.

It was after Christ's death and it was a pretty early time.

The real question is why doesn't any evidence provided convince you?

Again:

Did Jesus teach the 10 Commandments?

Did Jesus obey them?

Did Jesus' followers obey them after Crucifixion?

Yes, yes and yes.

Why do you continue to seek contradiction to that when that is the final word?
 
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posthuman said:
it was a major point of contention that Christ did His works on sabbath days, Hebrews speaks of it in spiritual terms rather than physical ones, and the writings of the early church fathers give much witness that Gentile Christians were meeting on the first of the week, commemorating Christ's resurrection, and considered sabbath-keeping a distinctly Jewish rite of the old covenant - all this long before the council of Nicea, where there was no disagreement over it, contrary to the SDA narrative, which is frankly fake, re-written history.

this seems to me to be rather a sticky truth, if Christianity is "founded on the 10 commandments"
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For the record, much of the history of the church fathers is rewritten history to provide false support for the trinity and Sunday worship.

The Bible is the final word on Biblical concepts.

Did Christ teach and obey the 10 Commandments?

Did His followers obey the Sabbath Commandment after His death?

Yes and yes.
 
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posthuman said:
i almost don't want to bring it up, because sabbath threads generally devolve quickly into unfriendly arguments, but if we're going to talk about the relationship of the Christian to the 10 commandments we're going to have to address it.
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Well, it's not hard to keep it from becoming a Sabbath thread, but it's just as significant as the other 9 Commandments.

I just focus on the 10 in general and that covers the Sabbath as much as murder.
 
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ewq1938 said:
No, they obeyed the law of Christ of the new covenant. Similar, but how one kept the Sabbath was very different and most of the old covenant laws were abandoned because it was gone and replaced by the same law of the new covenant.
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Did God change when Jesus was crucified?
 
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posthuman said:
well Galatians is quite explicit whether the Law is a doctrine of works or not, saying, the law is not of faith, because it says "do this and live"

so you just have the objection that the Ten Commandments are not law.

which imo is pretty weird, ha!

i am thinking if i ask any random Jew if the decalogue is part of the Law i will get laughed at to my face...

But to test, i will go ask random orthodox Jews.
back in a few days...


prost!
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When you ask, make sure you actually can get them to define themselves as either being Judaism, Reformed, Messianic, and especially if they are Sephardic or not.

And if they actually give you that information, a Gentile, I would be truly interested in knowing.
 
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Braweh said:
Where did you get this information?
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You need to really research because your precious kjv, is the Textus Receptus, which is the creation of Erasmus.

And Erasmus documented, and YOU can LOOK it up, but he took the LATIN VULGATE, which, is a translation of the GREEK to LATIN, and he took the LATIN and re translated it back to GREEK, which is IMPOSSIBLE, but that is YOUR very horrible translated kjv.

It really is junk compared to actual Original Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.

And you use it with authority when it is literally the worst ever translated Bible.
 
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