What if God had written IN STONE?

[The_Watchers_2017]

DINO, all Posters here can testify that YOU said i am wrong many times but CANNOT prove it.

so prove it, so i am not the only one who thinks you conveniently lie.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

we BOTH KNOW you cannot prove anything concerning this matter, and that you're just all hot air, with nothing to back you!

 

[Dino246]

The King James is the Greek Version of the Hebrew, so a 2nd Translation.

What is your source for that information?

 

[Dino246]

DINO, all Posters here can testify that YOU said i am wrong many times but CANNOT prove it.

so prove it, so i am not the only one who thinks you conveniently lie.

Yes, I have said you’re wrong. I don’t claim otherwise. Where is the lie?

 

[Dino246]

you said i am wrong multiple times, so it is your responsibility to prove that.

WHO are you, i should take your word for it, since, you run your mouth and then dodge proving me wrong?

in my opinion, after all of these backnforths, your word is not trustworthy.

so, i need you to prove me wrong, not just say i am wrong.

No, I'm not responsible for your needs; you are. I am only obligated to provide evidence supporting my assertion that you are wrong.

I don't care about your unbiblical division of the Law. It's entertaining (hence the popcorn comment) but irrelevant as the Law itself is obsolete for believers in Christ. That's well established in Galatians and Hebrews, and that's where you and Brahweh are both wrong.

Now, to your personal animosity towards me, take a chill pill. The derision does nothing to support your position.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Yes, I have said you’re wrong. I don’t claim otherwise. Where is the lie?

when i say you are wrong i provide proof [like i have with you not having proof to offer that i am wrong-but merely just your opinion].
because this is a debate board, not an honor system, to which there's no honor you've gained by me, to trust your assumptions without proof.

and since you refuse to offer proof, i know you're wrong.

and no other Poster is jumping in with Proof, so they also know you're wrong.

you can justify your actions, but, i will keep you accountable.

 

[posthuman]

That happened in Exodus 16 before they even arrived at Mt. Sinai. He had already given the law by then or He couldn't have been testing them. There is no sin without law.

there is certainly sin without law -

Romans 5:13​

For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.​

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But in Exodus 16 He gave them for the first time a sabbath law, telling them not to gather manna in the 7th day. this He did to prove their disobedience -

Exodus 16:4​

Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you. And the people shall go out and gather a certain quota every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in My law or not.​

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a test they failed:

Exodus 16:20​

Notwithstanding they did not heed Moses. But some of them left part of it until morning, and it bred worms and stank. And Moses was angry with them.​

which is no surprise, because they had been complaining against the LORD from the day He brought them out of Egypt, accusing Him of saving them only in order to kill them in the wilderness. in fact even this chapter opens with their wicked accusations:

Exodus 16:2-3​

Then the whole congregation of the children of Israel complained against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness. And the children of Israel said to them, ​

"Oh, that we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the pots of meat and when we ate bread to the full! For you have brought us out into this wilderness to kill this whole assembly with hunger." ​

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so Exodus 20 and the rest of the Torah is a law for a disobedient and unbelieving people, as scripture witnesses:

1 Timothy 1:9​

the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane... ​

​

so then if we have died with Christ and His righteousness is attributed to us through faith, by His atonement, why would God give the righteous a ministry of death engraved in stone? does He not give us instead a ministry of life?

to us He said, "love one another as I have loved you" and He said, "whoever believes has eternal life" - - but to the unbelieving and disobedient, who accuse God of murder, having no faith even though they see the Son in a pillar of fire before them, He said "do this and live"
for them Aaron continuously shed blood to cover their sins - but for us, Christ died once and for all.

we are not opposed to the righteousness of the Law, but it is not the basis of our faith, and we are not under it.

 

[Dino246]

and no other Poster is jumping in with Proof, so they also know you're wrong.

Kudos on the double fallacy: bandwagon and argument from ignorance.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Kudos on the double fallacy: bandwagon and argument from ignorance.

they don't know what i do.
it's impossible for them to back me.
but, they are familiar with the limited knowledge you possess, and could back you, if you actually had proof i was wrong.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Now, to your personal animosity towards me, take a chill pill. The derision does nothing to support your position.

This is pretty obvious, Dino. and getting tiresome. I would simply walk away.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

This is pretty obvious, Dino. and getting tiresome. I would simply walk away.

so, i am the one always at fault?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

i know you will cry, nehemia, i've destroyed your baloney several times.
makes sense you joining in like a snake.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

nehemia and dino...hmmm, water definitely seeks its own level

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

so, i am the one always at fault?

i seem to get blamed a lot whenever people cannot prove what i present as false.
get accused of not following the Trinity, when i always supported the Trinity.
get accused of saying following the law, when i never and there's no proof i ever have made such a claim.
the list is endless here.
but, the moment i ask, show me proof, prove me wrong, suddenly i am attacking them.
i am beginning to wonder if i am actually debating with Christians or not.
can't tell the difference if i'm at a bar or an environment promoting God?

well, it is a very GOOD thing, GOD SEE's, what really is happening!

 

[Braweh]

there is certainly sin without law -

Romans 5:13​

For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law.​

​

But in Exodus 16 He gave them for the first time a sabbath law, telling them not to gather manna in the 7th day. this He did to prove their disobedience -

Exodus 16:4​

Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you. And the people shall go out and gather a certain quota every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in My law or not.​

​

a test they failed:

Exodus 16:20​

Notwithstanding they did not heed Moses. But some of them left part of it until morning, and it bred worms and stank. And Moses was angry with them.​

which is no surprise, because they had been complaining against the LORD from the day He brought them out of Egypt, accusing Him of saving them only in order to kill them in the wilderness. in fact even this chapter opens with their wicked accusations:

Exodus 16:2-3​

Then the whole congregation of the children of Israel complained against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness. And the children of Israel said to them, ​

"Oh, that we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the pots of meat and when we ate bread to the full! For you have brought us out into this wilderness to kill this whole assembly with hunger." ​

​

so Exodus 20 and the rest of the Torah is a law for a disobedient and unbelieving people, as scripture witnesses:

1 Timothy 1:9​

the law is not made for a righteous person, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane... ​

​

so then if we have died with Christ and His righteousness is attributed to us through faith, by His atonement, why would God give the righteous a ministry of death engraved in stone? does He not give us instead a ministry of life?

to us He said, "love one another as I have loved you" and He said, "whoever believes has eternal life" - - but to the unbelieving and disobedient, who accuse God of murder, having no faith even though they see the Son in a pillar of fire before them, He said "do this and live"
for them Aaron continuously shed blood to cover their sins - but for us, Christ died once and for all.

we are not opposed to the righteousness of the Law, but it is not the basis of our faith, and we are not under it.

Nice post, ... post.

Jesus is our example.

His whole life was a testament to living righteously before God.

He would not have taught the 10 Commandments, and taught that they should be taught, if His goal was to obey them perfectly, once for all, and then do away with them.

And if we claim to be Christians, we ought also to walk as Christ walked. We ought to follow His example. And True Christians are followers of Christ.
1 Jn. 2:6

Again, Luke 23:54-56 is a huge proof text for this point.

We don't obey the 10 Commandments as a means to salvation. We obey them as a spiritual declaration of who we worship, of who we belong to.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

i seem to get blamed a lot whenever people cannot prove what i present as false.
get accused of not following the Trinity, when i always supported the Trinity.
get accused of saying following the law, when i never and there's no proof i ever have made such a claim.
the list is endless here.
but, the moment i ask, show me proof, prove me wrong, suddenly i am attacking them.
i am beginning to wonder if i am actually debating with Christians or not.
can't tell the difference if i'm at a bar or an environment promoting God?

well, it is a very GOOD thing, GOD SEE's, what really is happening!

interesting, and not that i buy it, but interesting it even exists.
looked up reviews for this place.
overwhelmingly opinion this place is the last place on Earth anyone could find God if they're looking for God.

i wonder if those people have met the same people here i have now met?

 

[posthuman]

After Christ, we still have to obey the 10 original Commandments that God Almighty spoke aloud and wrote in stone, but now we do it out of love for God, with the Holy Spirit living with us and inspiring and enabling us to follow them. If we stumble (James 3:2), we ask for forgiveness, ask God to help us repent and we move on, continuing in Jesus' Walk - which was in obedience to the 10 Commandments of God.
John 15:10

why is there no NT injunctive to ceremonially observe sabbath, and why has the church since the earliest times neither kept it nor taught it was required?

 

[posthuman]

why is there no NT injunctive to ceremonially observe sabbath, and why has the church since the earliest times neither kept it nor taught it was required?

it was a major point of contention that Christ did His works on sabbath days, Hebrews speaks of it in spiritual terms rather than physical ones, and the writings of the early church fathers give much witness that Gentile Christians were meeting on the first of the week, commemorating Christ's resurrection, and considered sabbath-keeping a distinctly Jewish rite of the old covenant - all this long before the council of Nicea, where there was no disagreement over it, contrary to the SDA narrative, which is frankly fake, re-written history.

this seems to me to be rather a sticky truth, if Christianity is "founded on the 10 commandments"

 

[posthuman]

i almost don't want to bring it up, because sabbath threads generally devolve quickly into unfriendly arguments, but if we're going to talk about the relationship of the Christian to the 10 commandments we're going to have to address it.

 

[posthuman]

interesting, and not that i buy it, but interesting it even exists.
looked up reviews for this place.
overwhelmingly opinion this place is the last place on Earth anyone could find God if they're looking for God.

i wonder if those people have met the same people here i have now met?

IMO people who write reviews of theological forums are generally people who have been banned either for heresy or unacceptable behavior from those forums.

anyone is less likely to go out of their way to post a positive review than a negative one. i am far more motivated to express my feelings about a website if i am angry than if i am content -

- the same human psychology explains why worldly politics focus on hatred for the opposing party; with all men being wicked, no one good but God, we are more likely to go vote against someone we have been convinced is extremely evil than to vote for anyone in particular.