There will be no Rapture!!!

Wow just 24 in the raptured church!

Hey buddy. So you are now the board resurrection expert supposedly?

So then, tell us all about how many times the anti-christ is resurrected. And when. And which one gets the FINAL Genesis 3:15 treatment.

Then go on to explain the two witnesses, who they are, and their resurrection phenomenon as it relates to their appearance and ministry.

And then how all of this fits into your "only one resurrection" theory.

Just trying to ascertain your viewpoint. Thanks.

Are they considered "first first resurrection," or what, in your view? Just wondering, and would like to hear your thoughts. Thanks!

I think in most theological views that these two people resurrect and are raptured before the larger groups of the resurrected dead and raptured saints are resurrected and raptured.

Either they are resurrected as mortals and are changed like the raptured ones are, or they are resurrected as immortals ahead of the larger group who that same day will resurrect as immortals as well.

Look at what the "24 ELDERS" are saying in Rev5:9 -

"And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;"


Now, it is either as you suggest, that there are only "24" NATIONS, and TONGUES, and PEOPLE, and KINDRED;

OR, consider that these "ELDERS" (on "thrones") are speaking on behalf of the greater/wider body [of people] being referenced (out of / from "EVERY" nation, tongue, etc--of which there is MORE than merely "24" ), like "elders" in your church likely do, on occasion, do they not?

^ @selahsays ,

Thank you for your response.

I asked because some time back, another poster (who was making a similar point to the one you made in your post) argued that they think they probably will die again because they don't have glorified bodies when they ascend, just resurrected back to ordinary bodies like Lazarus and so forth (as was the poster's reasoning).

So, if your viewpoint doesn't see them having to die again, and they are resurrected and ascend up to Heaven at the "6th Trumpet / 2nd Woe" point in the chronology (prior to the "7th Trumpet / 3rd Woe" [and Vials], per vv.12-15a), how does your viewpoint explain that these "2W" are resurrected PRIOR TO "the resurrection the first [adj]" (Rev20:5,6), when, according to y'all's view ( ), Rev20 is "the first time anyone will be resurrected [and ALL saints AT THE SAME TIME are included at this "first[-in-time]" resurrection]," according to the way you're interpreting the phrases in those two verses?

Are they considered "first-first resurrection," or what, in your view? Just wondering, and would like to hear your thoughts. Thanks!






[Do they get special treatment, for some reason?? ]

Hello, brother… but when it says “first” resurrection, this means that this particular resurrection is to immortality (eternal life).

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection (each in their own ORDER/RANK) was not my question.
My question was how many times is the AC resurrected?

^ @DRobinson ,

Okay, I can only assume you mean that "24 elders" came out of EVERY nation because those 24 individuals did a LOT of moving during their lives on earth, so as to have been redeemed out of ALL OF them... and had to have been VERY, VERY multilingual, etc...


Makes perfect sense.






[by the way, let the readers compare this passage in chpt 5 with the wording in 1:6-7]

Hello, brother… but when it says “first” resurrection, this means that this particular resurrection is to immortality (eternal life).

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Uhh… but…are bad angels resurrected?

@selahsays ,

Well, the passage clearly spells out that they "ascended into heaven" (v.12) and THEN after that the declaration in v.14 states clearly "the second woe is past" (associated with the "6th Trumpet" events, per Rev8:13), "... and, behold, the third woe [associated with the "7th Trumpet" events] COMETH QUICKLY [i.e. had not yet happened... however, the 2W had already ascended up to heaven by that point]."


The text is clear, that the "2W" are resurrected and ascend into heaven when the "6th Trumpet [events] / 2nd Woe" is in effect or concluding, but PRIOR TO the "7th Trumpet sounding [/events] / 3rd Woe," so at a point in time clearly DISTINCT from when many here are insisting "all saints" are resurrected at the time of: the 7th Trumpet (which they are labeling "the LAST")

Could these scriptures be a "first rapture" that happened at Yeshua/Jesus resurrection?

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Revelation 4:4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

Unlike you I assume nothing. I read and accept what is said,

We are told their number, their dress, and what they do.