THE "MARK" WHO WHAT WHEN....

A generation sure is a long time in this dispensational theology.

Now Margaret MacDonald who had those feverish visions in 1830 of the endtimes was so fortunate to have John Nelson Darby around so he could carry on the fever for almost two hundred years, I would say that is a very good run indeed and we are still connecting all the dots,

And aren't we so thankful to have Scofield popularize these dispensational views.

So now rather than ....."The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ."

We have "The Book of Speculation."

A generation sure is a long time in this dispensational theology.

Now Margaret MacDonald who had those feverish visions in 1830 of the endtimes was so fortunate to have John Nelson Darby around so he could carry on the fever for almost two hundred years, I would say that is a very good run indeed and we are still connecting all the dots,

And aren't we so thankful to have Scofield popularize these dispensational views.

So now rather than ....."The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who testifies to everything he saw—that is, the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ."

We have "The Book of Speculation."

It was/is not at 'miraculous' as you might think - and, was brought about by the same 'elite' you mention here.

It was/is just another 'milestone'/'step' in the 'illuminati' agenda - to help bring about the NWO - believe-it-or-not...

While it has some historical significance, it is not a fulfillment of biblical prophecy. (At least, not the 'dry bones' prophecy.)

I'm no longer a dispensationalist.

I went back and reread our part of the thread and maybe see what you mean by the reference now about Darby/ Scofield. Their theories certainly do cast shade on Revelation don't they? I've been told a few different ones and bought into it a while until I saw the agenda and spent a long time studying out dispensational theology in light of the clear Scriptures.

Anyhow, I don't know it all when it comes to end times Bible prophecy. It's just that we live in a time when the tech is available. I understand that many used to think the Socialist Security number and later the bar code was possibly the mark of the beast. There's been much speculation, however, when so many world powers embrace the Number as well as promote one world monetary system, it seems to be coming together.

For future reference, the 666 Mark of the Beast Tech is Ready to be Rolled Out thread
can be found in the Conspiracy Forum.

I have been very plain in my speech. I'm on break so I'm sorry if I don't have time to go off on the dispensational rabbit trail today.
I'm no longer a dispensationalist.
My response to your reference about Mondex is that I do not recall the name of that company, device or whatever it is. Likewise it sounds like you might not be familiar with the latest rollout of 2 billionaire's latest. Elon Musk has promoted something that is not a microchip. It is however an implantable device consisting of fine strands of wires that are surgically inserted throughout the brain.
The one that Bill Gates has patented is an electronic tattoo that goes into the back of the hand. If you want more details and want to get up to speed, please refer to the first pages of my thread, link above. I have links to all of this.
Have a good day

Excellent!

All the rest is true, I do agree we have a concerted effort to bring about the ultimate monetary control.
Its just not the mark of the beast.

That is a neural link, a must have.

You become very powerful with a neural link.

THE WHO IS OBVIOUS , THE BEAST (Anti Christ) as commonly called.....which by necessity implies he is already in control of the world and has been fully revealed.As of yet we have not been given knowledge as to who this is and any guesses are mere speculation at this point.....HE WILL BE REVEALED BY ANGELIC MESSENGER TO BELIEVERS....

Understanding WHO IS the beast (THE ANTICHRIST) is important and you said we have not been given knowledge but without speculating there are many identifying things.
Let's go to Daniel chapter 7.
A vision of time and nations.

Beasts represent kingdoms and powers.
Dan 7:23.
Sea or waters represent people, multitudes, nations and tougnes. Rev 17:15.

Without going into detail Dan 7 and Dan 8 expand on each other and give extra detail.

The first beast is Babylon. The second is the Medes and Persions, the Third is Greese the fourth is Rome, the 10 horns are the 10 kingdoms of western europe and the little horn is papal Rome. History backs this up. And all the symbols fit perfectly to these kingdoms.
Dan 2 is a good place to start.

“I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words” (Daniel 7:8).
Who is the little horn? The biblical characteristics identify it as the antichrist of prophecy and history. There must be no mistake in making this identification.

1.The little horn would come “up among them”—that is, from among the 10 horns that were the kingdoms of Western Europe (Daniel 7:8). So it would be a little kingdom somewhere in Western Europe.

2.It would have a man at its head who could speak for it (Daniel 7:8).

3.It would pluck out or uproot three kingdoms (Daniel 7:8).

4.It would be different from the other 10 kingdoms (Daniel 7:24).

5.It would make war with and persecute the saints (Daniel 7:21, 25).

6.It would emerge from the pagan Roman Empire—the fourth kingdom (Daniel 7:7, 8).

7.God’s people (the saints) would “be given into his hand” for “a time and times and half a time” (Daniel 7:25).

8.It would “speak great words against” or blaspheme God (Daniel 7:25 KJV). In Revelation 13:5, the Bible says the same power speaks “great things and blasphemies.”

9.It would “intend to change times and law” (Daniel 7:25).

Don’t forget—all these identification points come directly from the Bible. They are not some human opinion or speculation. Historians could tell you quickly what power is being described, because these points fit only one power—the papacy.

Just to expand on some points.....

The Catholic emperor Zeno (474–491) arranged a treaty with the Ostrogoths in 487, which resulted in the eradication of the kingdom of the Arian Heruls in 493. And the Catholic emperor Justinian (527–565) exterminated the Arian Vandals in 534 and significantly broke the power of the Arian Ostrogoths in 538. Thus were Daniel’s three horns—the Heruls, the Vandals, and the Ostrogoths—‘plucked up by the roots.’ ”

“That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history.”
W. E. H. Lecky, History of...... Volume 2, 40.

The saints would “be given into his hand” for “a time and times and half a time.”

A time = a year,
times = two years,
half a time = half of a year.
The Amplified Bible translates it: “Three and one-half years."

This same time period is mentioned seven times in the books of Daniel and Revelation (Daniel 7:25; 12:7; Revelation 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14; 13:5): three times as a “time, times, and half a time”; twice as 42 months; and twice as 1,260 days. Based on the 30-day calendar used by the Jews, these time periods are all the same amount of time: 3½ years = 42 months = 1,260 days.

One prophetic day equals one literal year (Ezekiel 4:6; Numbers 14:34).

Thus, the little horn (antichrist) was to have power over the saints for 1,260 prophetic days; that is, 1,260 literal years.
Who ruled for 1260 years?
The rule of the papacy began in ad 538, when the last of the three opposing Arian kingdoms was uprooted. Its rule continued until 1798 when Napoleon’s general, Berthier, took the pope captive with hopes of destroying both Pope Pius VI and the political power of the papacy. This period of time is an exact fulfillment of the 1,260-year prophecy. The blow was a deadly wound for the papacy, but that wound began to heal and continues healing today.

I could give many more details to confirm the identifying marks of the antichrist but history confirms them.

There is no doubt that the little horn power (the antichrist) of Daniel 7 is the papacy. No other organization fits all nine points. And, incidentally, this is not a new teaching. Every Protestant Reformer, without exception, spoke of the papacy as antichrist.

Understanding WHO IS the beast (THE ANTICHRIST) is important and you said we have not been given knowledge but without speculating there are many identifying things.
Let's go to Daniel chapter 7.
A vision of time and nations.

Beasts represent kingdoms and powers.
Dan 7:23.
Sea or waters represent people, multitudes, nations and tougnes. Rev 17:15.

Without going into detail Dan 7 and Dan 8 expand on each other and give extra detail.

The first beast is Babylon. The second is the Medes and Persions, the Third is Greese the fourth is Rome, the 10 horns are the 10 kingdoms of western europe and the little horn is papal Rome. History backs this up. And all the symbols fit perfectly to these kingdoms.
Dan 2 is a good place to start.

“I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words” (Daniel 7:8).
Who is the little horn? The biblical characteristics identify it as the antichrist of prophecy and history. There must be no mistake in making this identification.

1.The little horn would come “up among them”—that is, from among the 10 horns that were the kingdoms of Western Europe (Daniel 7:8). So it would be a little kingdom somewhere in Western Europe.

2.It would have a man at its head who could speak for it (Daniel 7:8).

3.It would pluck out or uproot three kingdoms (Daniel 7:8).

4.It would be different from the other 10 kingdoms (Daniel 7:24).

5.It would make war with and persecute the saints (Daniel 7:21, 25).

6.It would emerge from the pagan Roman Empire—the fourth kingdom (Daniel 7:7, 8).

7.God’s people (the saints) would “be given into his hand” for “a time and times and half a time” (Daniel 7:25).

8.It would “speak great words against” or blaspheme God (Daniel 7:25 KJV). In Revelation 13:5, the Bible says the same power speaks “great things and blasphemies.”

9.It would “intend to change times and law” (Daniel 7:25).

Don’t forget—all these identification points come directly from the Bible. They are not some human opinion or speculation. Historians could tell you quickly what power is being described, because these points fit only one power—the papacy.

Just to expand on some points.....

The Catholic emperor Zeno (474–491) arranged a treaty with the Ostrogoths in 487, which resulted in the eradication of the kingdom of the Arian Heruls in 493. And the Catholic emperor Justinian (527–565) exterminated the Arian Vandals in 534 and significantly broke the power of the Arian Ostrogoths in 538. Thus were Daniel’s three horns—the Heruls, the Vandals, and the Ostrogoths—‘plucked up by the roots.’ ”

“That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind, will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history.”
W. E. H. Lecky, History of...... Volume 2, 40.

The saints would “be given into his hand” for “a time and times and half a time.”

A time = a year,
times = two years,
half a time = half of a year.
The Amplified Bible translates it: “Three and one-half years."

This same time period is mentioned seven times in the books of Daniel and Revelation (Daniel 7:25; 12:7; Revelation 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14; 13:5): three times as a “time, times, and half a time”; twice as 42 months; and twice as 1,260 days. Based on the 30-day calendar used by the Jews, these time periods are all the same amount of time: 3½ years = 42 months = 1,260 days.

One prophetic day equals one literal year (Ezekiel 4:6; Numbers 14:34).

Thus, the little horn (antichrist) was to have power over the saints for 1,260 prophetic days; that is, 1,260 literal years.
Who ruled for 1260 years?
The rule of the papacy began in ad 538, when the last of the three opposing Arian kingdoms was uprooted. Its rule continued until 1798 when Napoleon’s general, Berthier, took the pope captive with hopes of destroying both Pope Pius VI and the political power of the papacy. This period of time is an exact fulfillment of the 1,260-year prophecy. The blow was a deadly wound for the papacy, but that wound began to heal and continues healing today.

I could give many more details to confirm the identifying marks of the antichrist but history confirms them.

There is no doubt that the little horn power (the antichrist) of Daniel 7 is the papacy. No other organization fits all nine points. And, incidentally, this is not a new teaching. Every Protestant Reformer, without exception, spoke of the papacy as antichrist.

Blessings and love always. I have a thought, more a question. Is it not written that great Whore has names all over her. I believe these are her daughters. Are her daughters not the legion of apostate assemblies comprising the abounding apostasy which began, even at the time of the Twelve and of Paul?

Not every beast = the papacy.
A beast is prophetic for a power or kingdom.
There will come a time when the papacy will be seen for it's lies and deceptions, it will stand naked and those that have been deceived will hate her.

The Catholic church already recieved a deadly wound from France when the protestant reformation revealed the truth. But she (the papacy) has been healing.

Rev 13:1-4 is the papacy
Verse 11 another beast come from the earth.

They all follow the papacy until it's too late.

So who is the second beast with the two horns?

Revelation 13:11-12
Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke as a dragon. He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who live on it worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed.

Who is the harlot that rides the beast?

Okay. The second beast mentioned, the one with two horns like a lamb that speaks like a dragon is Satan, the Antichrist. The first beast is the one-world system—Babylon (also referred to as the whore or harlot).

And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

- Revelation 9:4 (KJV)

In the scripture above, take note of who is protected —only those who have the Seal of God in their foreheads and are knowledgeable of the Scriptures.

It's really quite simple: if you don't have the Seal of God in your forehead, this must mean you have the Seal of Satan in your forehead, which is the mark of the beast. You either belong to Christ, the Son of God and have His Word, His seal in your mind, or you belong to Satan and have his word, his seal (mark) in your mind.