Interesting verse Daniel 2:43 They are not of this earth?

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Cameron143

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Where did you get 500 feet from?
You just put 1 foot in front of the other. Pretty soon you'll be in another yard. Then you multiply that by the number of popcorn kernels left unpopped in the bag. If you take the hypotenuse of the bag folded diagonally times Avogadro's number divided by the speed of light....viola, 500.
 

Aaron56

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You just put 1 foot in front of the other. Pretty soon you'll be in another yard. Then you multiply that by the number of popcorn kernels left unpopped in the bag. If you take the hypotenuse of the bag folded diagonally times Avogadro's number divided by the speed of light....viola, 500.
No matter how many times my grandmother reminded me of this formula I always have to look it up.
 

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And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay. Daniel 2:43. It is clear from the verse "they" are not people. They are not of this earth? A repeat of Genesis 6?
For starters, those Demons who did this in Genesis were locked in the pit and thus no other Demon would dare do this, they know they would be locked in the pit also. The goal was to destroy the humans DNA so Jesus could never be birthed, so that time has passed anyway, the Sacrifice has been paid.

Secondly, I used to think this meant that God would never allows these nations to come together as one again until the very end, no matter how hard they tried to reform, be it wars or with the "Seed of Men" as in "Royal Marriage" which they indeed tried at times, but that is not what it means.

HERE IS WHAT Daniel 2:43 means:

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

So, Daniel saw Rome as Iron, so it was a proper old school style Beast Kingdom that Conquered its foes, just like Babylon, Persia and Greece, they all ruled via brute force BUT..........the last Beast Kingdom will be different, as Rev. 17:12 says these 10 Kings (10 means completion) give their power unto the Anti-Christ/Beast, so its an Election (via Parliament of the E.U.) not a Brute Force Conquering that brings him to power originally, and these 10 (Complete Europe Reunited as the E.U.) are indeed Partly Strong, Germany, Spain, England, France, Belgium, Italy, Sweden, the Netherlands, and Partly Weak Austria, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia.

The reason this connotation of partly strong and partly weak is used is to show us this "Last Beast Kingdom" is not a Beast Power that came together via brute force like the others, this is instead a political beast with MANY FACTIONS, and with MANY NATIONS, its not like the Rome of old where one man ruled and he had a few Senators etc. this Beast has many nations trying to be one nation, which seldom works very well.

So, they MIX THEMSELVES via the SEED OF MEN means they try to mesh many different Nations together, many different SEEDS or Nations (Nations........here are the different seeds of men, just like Abraham's SEED was Israel). BUT.......Just like Clay & Iron do not MIX WELL, neither will this end time Beast Kingdom, some nations are strong and try to rule the others, then you have weaker nations like Poland, Austria etc. who refuses at ties to obey the dictates of the E.U. and allow in Refugees etc. Many Nations trying to rule as one nation, especially when those older nations are very, very old like France, England, Spain etc. and have been world powers, is just not going to work out well, NOTICE England left the E..U. (supposedly).

This has NOTHING to do with how the Beast will go forth conquering, by that time he turns into a Dictator, this is more about how the 10 (Complete Europe) reunites.
 

UnoiAmarah

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A repeat of Genesis 6?
More a repeat of Genesis 41...

25 Then Arioch brought in Daniel before the king in haste and said thus unto him, I have found a man of the captives of Judah, that will make known unto the king the interpretation.
26 The king answered and said to Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, Art thou able to make known unto me the dream which I have seen, and the interpretation thereof?
27 Daniel answered in the presence of the king, and said, The secret which the king hath demanded cannot the wise men, the astrologers, the magicians, the soothsayers, shew unto the king;
28 But there is a God in heaven that revealeth secrets, and maketh known to the king Nebuchadnezzar what shall be in the latter days. Thy dream, and the visions of thy head upon thy bed, are these;
Daniel 2

14 Then Pharaoh sent and called Joseph, and they brought him hastily out of the dungeon: and he shaved himself, and changed his raiment, and came in unto Pharaoh.
15 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I have dreamed a dream, and there is none that can interpret it: and I have heard say of thee, that thou canst understand a dream to interpret it.
16 And Joseph answered Pharaoh, saying, It is not in me: God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace.
Genesis 41
 

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For starters, those Demons who did this in Genesis were locked in the pit and thus no other Demon would dare do this, they know they would be locked in the pit also. The goal was to destroy the humans DNA so Jesus could never be birthed, so that time has passed anyway, the Sacrifice has been paid.

Secondly, I used to think this meant that God would never allows these nations to come together as one again until the very end, no matter how hard they tried to reform, be it wars or with the "Seed of Men" as in "Royal Marriage" which they indeed tried at times, but that is not what it means.

HERE IS WHAT Daniel 2:43 means:

And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

So, Daniel saw Rome as Iron, so it was a proper old school style Beast Kingdom that Conquered its foes, just like Babylon, Persia and Greece, they all ruled via brute force BUT..........the last Beast Kingdom will be different, as Rev. 17:12 says these 10 Kings (10 means completion) give their power unto the Anti-Christ/Beast, so its an Election (via Parliament of the E.U.) not a Brute Force Conquering that brings him to power originally, and these 10 (Complete Europe Reunited as the E.U.) are indeed Partly Strong, Germany, Spain, England, France, Belgium, Italy, Sweden, the Netherlands, and Partly Weak Austria, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia.

The reason this connotation of partly strong and partly weak is used is to show us this "Last Beast Kingdom" is not a Beast Power that came together via brute force like the others, this is instead a political beast with MANY FACTIONS, and with MANY NATIONS, its not like the Rome of old where one man ruled and he had a few Senators etc. this Beast has many nations trying to be one nation, which seldom works very well.

So, they MIX THEMSELVES via the SEED OF MEN means they try to mesh many different Nations together, many different SEEDS or Nations (Nations........here are the different seeds of men, just like Abraham's SEED was Israel). BUT.......Just like Clay & Iron do not MIX WELL, neither will this end time Beast Kingdom, some nations are strong and try to rule the others, then you have weaker nations like Poland, Austria etc. who refuses at ties to obey the dictates of the E.U. and allow in Refugees etc. Many Nations trying to rule as one nation, especially when those older nations are very, very old like France, England, Spain etc. and have been world powers, is just not going to work out well, NOTICE England left the E..U. (supposedly).

This has NOTHING to do with how the Beast will go forth conquering, by that time he turns into a Dictator, this is more about how the 10 (Complete Europe) reunites.
It had NOTHING to do with ruining mankind before Jesus was born. No where in the scripture does it say that. It does say, "The Sons of GOD (Angels) saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful and they took for themselves wives."

About the nations mixing, it has nothing to do with that either. The "They" in "They will seek to mingle with the seed of men". means the "They" are not human.
 

JohnB

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well if you say a grasshopper is the size of a normal man 5-6 ft , and then how big is the giant that is like a man to a grasshopper ?

what I did was rough guess a grasshopper is about an inch off the ground and a man is about 72 inches tall and there are 12 inches per foot so every inch would equate to 6 ft

so 6 times 72 which is 430 or something like that , but the book of Enoch actually measures them at 450 ft and says they ate all the trees and people and animals ect

personally though I was just wondering if Cameron thought it is literally a comparable measurement or if it’s rhetorical and hyperbolic in natire when the men are compared to them as the size of grasshoppers

if a grasshopper equals a normal sized man you would arrive between 400 and 500 ft
It has nothing to do with actual grasshoppers.
 

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It has nothing to do with actual grasshoppers.
Lol yes I made that point originally this one , was a response to how I came up with the figure of 450 ft if the grasshoppers were literal

a you have to go back a couple more to see what I was saying but I agree lol for sure it’s not actually saying “we normal men are literally the size of grasshoppers to those giants “


It’s hyperbole if I had to fight a seven or eight foot man like Goliath or Shaquille even I’m 5’10 and about 165 lbs , so if someone’s telling me “ you’re going to beat up that 7 ft 400 lb man , “ and I was afraid I might say “ but I’m like a grasshopper compared to this guy and I can’t whip him “

also it’s talking about how they were perceived as grasshoppers eating up the land devouring all the resources
 

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You just put 1 foot in front of the other. Pretty soon you'll be in another yard. Then you multiply that by the number of popcorn kernels left unpopped in the bag. If you take the hypotenuse of the bag folded diagonally times Avogadro's number divided by the speed of light....viola, 500.
I was going to quote that formulae but I am too humble to do that.
 

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I was going to quote that formulae but I am too humble to do that.
They should just put a button on the calculator for it. I'd get you to suggest it but I realize your aforementioned humility would forbid your participation.
 

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It had NOTHING to do with ruining mankind before Jesus was born. No where in the scripture does it say that. It does say, "The Sons of GOD (Angels) saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful and they took for themselves wives."

About the nations mixing, it has nothing to do with that either. The "They" in "They will seek to mingle with the seed of men". means the "They" are not human.
Where in the following passage does it say the 'sons of God' were angels?

Genesis 6:1-4
Now it came about, when mankind began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of mankind were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not remain with man forever, because he is also flesh; nevertheless his days shall be 120 years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of mankind, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

The Nephilim were men and tall men.
 

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They should just put a button on the calculator for it. I'd get you to suggest it but I realize your aforementioned humility would forbid your participation.
Almost too humble to reply.

Soon I will take a vow of silence. Plus a branch to whip myself when I have a bad thought.
 

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Ummmm....that's a hard no. It's metaphorical. But how cool would it be to see a 500 foot tall man? Would he be called Gulliver?
Anyone around and/or above 6' 6" looks like a giant to me!
 

Cameron143

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Anyone around and/or above 6' 6" looks like a giant to me!
I could reach that high even in a nice pair of platform shoes myself. But it would give me a reason to break out the bell bottoms.
 

Cameron143

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Almost too humble to reply.

Soon I will take a vow of silence. Plus a branch to whip myself when I have a bad thought.
I should tell you before you are too humilified you will be unable to respond that I have greatly benefitted from your humilitude. My only regret is that I didn't get to know you much earlier in your walk of humbletudiness that I would have benefitted further still.
 

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I should tell you before you are too humilified you will be unable to respond that I have greatly benefitted from your humilitude. My only regret is that I didn't get to know you much earlier in your walk of humbletudiness that I would have benefitted further still.
If it makes you feel better, I've given you Cray Cray cred. You've earned it.
 
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Daniel 2:43, "And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay." (KJV)

Fulfilled AD 364 (Roman Empire Divided).